You're talking to Serenity. And, Early... Serenity is very unhappy.

River ,'Objects In Space'


Natter 41: Why Do I Click on ita's Links?!  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Cashmere - Jan 04, 2006 8:59:52 am PST #7273 of 10002
Now tagless for your comfort.

Anyone else watch O'Reilly getting reamed last night on Letterman? I think my favorite part is when Dave says "I believe 60% of what you say is crap." (Though personally I think that's a very conservative estimate.)

I've just seen the replay on the net. Tis a thing of beauty.


Jesse - Jan 04, 2006 9:01:34 am PST #7274 of 10002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Oops. The boss here just asked if I have enough to do. I said I really would if people would get back to me.


Jessica - Jan 04, 2006 9:02:32 am PST #7275 of 10002
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Woah -- the lunchtime boredom x-post!

Also, she seemed clear that humanity at large is scared of artificial intelligence. Is this true, you think? I know people here might be too geeky to fully participate in that fear (or geeky enough that they've gone 360 and have an informed fear). Or does it just make good sci fi stories?

I wonder how much of the general population considers AI nonfiction enough to be worth fearing. I'd guess relatively little.


flea - Jan 04, 2006 9:04:08 am PST #7276 of 10002
information libertarian

I think people often find non-human things acting human creepy - which is one way to look at AI. Isn't it a little weird when Tivo knows what you like to watch, even though you know how it learns? And weren't we talking about Uncanny Valley and Dakota Fanning here (or somewhere) recently?


§ ita § - Jan 04, 2006 9:08:39 am PST #7277 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Isn't it a little weird when Tivo knows what you like to watch, even though you know how it learns?

To me, no. Because I enjoy reading up on the algorithm. I have no idea what it's like to not be like that, so I'm curious.

I took an AI course in college. Didn't do very well. It was about game playing applications, and that irritated me. Chess playing programs are not intelligent. They are problem solving in a really small domain with clear and unbreakable rules. Intelligence isn't knowing every possible outcome (and the path there) and moving towards the one you like best. It's almost the opposite of that.

Then I get confused about intelligence v. sentience and then I'm all dizzy.

What AI do we have around us anyway? What learns and plans? Apart from the Roomba (or does that not plan?).

I think the reason that AI makes good horror movies is NSM because I'm scared of someone creating something better than me, but I'd be scared of someone playing god with so little experience on their resume -- it's not about getting it right -- the horror is when they get it wrong.

Then again, maybe we're a god's horror story right now.


shrift - Jan 04, 2006 9:08:43 am PST #7278 of 10002
"You can't put a price on the joy of not giving a shit." -Zenkitty

Oops. The boss here just asked if I have enough to do. I said I really would if people would get back to me.

Could be worse. Currently I'm watching the work pile up in my inbox with mounting horror.


tommyrot - Jan 04, 2006 9:10:06 am PST #7279 of 10002
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Apart from the Roomba (or does that not plan?).

It schemes.


Jesse - Jan 04, 2006 9:10:56 am PST #7280 of 10002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Could be worse. Currently I'm watching the work pile up in my inbox with mounting horror.

Yeah, that's worse. Maybe I'll take a smoke break. I did just make two follow-up phone calls and send an email!

I like Tivo, but I'm still afraid of Hal.


Frankenbuddha - Jan 04, 2006 9:11:42 am PST #7281 of 10002
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

It schemes.

And occasionally opens fire (usually on the pets), and, if taught correctly, plays the 1812 Overture.


§ ita § - Jan 04, 2006 9:12:11 am PST #7282 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

The chick in the cube next to me is totally gossiping on the phone in her native language.

Totally not fair.

We're allowed to leave early to catch the start of the Rose Bowl game. How weird.