Flames wouldn't be eternal if they actually consumed anything.

Lilah ,'Not Fade Away'


Natter 41: Why Do I Click on ita's Links?!  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Jessica - Dec 25, 2005 7:02:53 am PST #4961 of 10002
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

(I mean, this being New York, chances are good that he's not Christian, but still. Wow.)

(The mailman, not Santa Claus. Who probably is Christian.)


amych - Dec 25, 2005 7:05:12 am PST #4962 of 10002
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

(I mean, this being New York, chances are good that he's not Christian, but still. Wow.)

I suspect it would still be his day off, if he were inclined to take it!

(The mailman, not Santa Claus. Who probably is Christian.)

In a more or less pagan way, yeah.


§ ita § - Dec 25, 2005 7:05:25 am PST #4963 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Last year I got a Christmas Day delivery from a postal worker, and was suitably gobsmacked. She cheerily told me she was getting double or triple pay (it was a year ago, I don't remember) and didn't seem the least bit put out.

The lines are tied up to Jamaica, so can't get through to Daddy. Will sip coffee instead.

Perkins--I can grab you some pies if you want. I wasn't thinking yesterday.


Jessica - Dec 25, 2005 7:11:07 am PST #4964 of 10002
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

In a more or less pagan way, yeah.

He's Christian now. Like the tree.

I also must squee a little about the card that came with the gift, which is a Christmas card (lovely -- white with a three-tree cutout design) with "Happy Hannukah!" handwritten across the front. On the back, my grandparents added "PS- Sorry for the mixed messages."

They're so cute.


amych - Dec 25, 2005 7:12:36 am PST #4965 of 10002
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

They are very cute. Can I adopt your grandparents? I'm clean out.


Topic!Cindy - Dec 25, 2005 7:13:32 am PST #4966 of 10002
What is even happening?

(I mean, this being New York, chances are good that he's not Christian, but still. Wow.)
(The mailman, not Santa Claus. Who probably is Christian.)
A tiny (or not so) Jewish Santa. In the flesh. Under clothing, of course.
In a more or less pagan way, yeah.
How so? I'm not Catholic, so I don't have much experience in hagiography, but I'd never heard this. I know many/most of the Christmas traditions of Europe were first part of the celebration of solstice, but as far as I knew, Nicholas is a Christian saint.


tommyrot - Dec 25, 2005 7:14:34 am PST #4967 of 10002
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

(The mailman, not Santa Claus. Who probably is Christian.)

I think Santa just checked the "Christian" box to make it easier to get through customs.

ION, from Jessica's link:

To paraphrase Stephen Stills, shalt thou not get the crap you want, want the crap you get.

Heh.


Sue - Dec 25, 2005 7:25:30 am PST #4968 of 10002
hip deep in pie

Hooray for the kindly postman!


amych - Dec 25, 2005 7:27:06 am PST #4969 of 10002
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

You're right -- Nicholas is definitely a Christian saint, and a historical figure. What I was getting at (and snarking a bit, and failing, and my apologies), is that Santa Claus isn't just St. Nicholas, and isn't even associated with Nicholas in a lot of places (He's sometimes St. Martin, or St. Basil, or Odin) and gift-giving father-figures at Solstice go way, way back.

Another of those instances where the modern holiday is layered over older practices, and I clearly need more coffee.


Topic!Cindy - Dec 25, 2005 7:31:18 am PST #4970 of 10002
What is even happening?

You're right -- Nicholas is definitely a Christian saint, and a historical figure. What I was getting at (and snarking a bit, and failing, and my apologies), is that Santa Claus isn't just St. Nicholas, and isn't even associated with Nicholas in a lot of places (He's sometimes St. Martin, or St. Basil, or Odin) and gift-giving father-figures at Solstice go way, way back.

Oh. Duh. I new he might be legendary, but I didn't even see that connection.

Coffee sounds like an excellent suggestion. I know my body actually needs water. It's fairly crying out for water, but my brain is closer to my ears and is fairly SCREAMING for caffeine.