And it didn't work so well with the Frontenders because 1) there were more of them, and 2) they were already forming their own little community, which would be harder to infiltrate.

I also suspect they might have been further away from the Others than the tailies, and there might have been dangers in the jungle between them that even the Others have trouble dealing with.

and kinda looked like Ethan too

The names Nathan and Ethan were too similar for me to be convinced that Nathan was an Other.

What I want to know about is the "List" of 9 and how they were obtained, chosen, etc.

It wasn't my favorite episode. Uneven. It just didn't flow right for me.

What I want to know about is the "List" of 9 and how they were obtained, chosen, etc.

Well, Traitor!guy said that Nathan "wasn't a good person" and that was why he wasn't on the list. (Granted, I don't know if we can take anything that Traitor!guy said at face value, since he was, in fact, a traitor, but right now it's all we have to go on.)

Well, Traitor!guy said that Nathan "wasn't a good person" and that was why he wasn't on the list.

If he meant what he said, this could be interesting in that I'd be curious to know what the Others' think constitutes being a good person or not. Also, it makes me curious what Nathan was doing for two hours in the jungle.

Then again, maybe I DON'T want to know what he was off doing for two hours by himself. Ewww.

The whole "they took the able" theory is weird with Eko still around. Isn't he the biggest and the buffest and pretty damned useful?

he was, in fact, a traitor

I don't think he was a traitor - he was never on their side to betray them. He was an infiltrator, whose loyalties never swayed.

The whole "they took the able" theory is weird with Eko still around. Isn't he the biggest and the buffest and pretty damned useful?

I thought they tried and he killed two of them. Or are you talking after that point?

The whole "they took the able" theory is weird with Eko still around.

Well, he did kill the ones who tried to take him. If you believe what Goodwin was telling Ana, the first batch taken were the biggest and ablest, the threats. The second batch were the good ones (or nice ones, or something like that).

It bothered me, too, that Ana Lucia and the others went on so long about not seeing Nathan on the plane, but not one of them seemed to not remember seeing Goodwin on the plane. At that point, wouldn't you have been trying to place everyone?

Misdirects irritate me more and more lately. Why didn't Nathan argue? Wouldn't anyone who'd been thrown into a pit by his only companions yell his head off, giving any and all details of his life, anything to prove he was who he said he was?

And clearly he wasn't in on it with Goodwin, because there was no indication of that when Goodwin freed him. Before, you know, snapping his neck.

Or are you talking after that point?

After that point, I meant. They're all crazy creepy magical and stuff, and that looks like a huge failure on their part.

Amy, I'm with you on the misdirects. Some explanation of why he had to pee for hours might have been a start.

Some explanation of why he had to pee for hours might have been a start.

Exactly. Although, if he truly did...well, poor guy.