Saffron: But we've been wed. Aren't we to become one flesh? Mal: Well, no, uh... We're still two fleshes here, and I think that your flesh ought to sleep somewhere else.

'Our Mrs. Reynolds'


Natter 40: The Nice One  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Jesse - Nov 30, 2005 5:44:57 pm PST #8219 of 10006
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Fuck fuck fuck. A roach was just on me!! I HATE THAT. I felt a little tickle on my arm, but I thought it was just the cat or something, but then I saw the roach on the sofa next to me, and EW. I womanfully grabbed a napkin and KILLED IT. Just ew, though.

Now I have to finish a paper but I'm all creeped out.


bon bon - Nov 30, 2005 5:58:43 pm PST #8220 of 10006
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

I actually think the former maxim is still endorseable

And impossible.

Not sure what you mean. When you do the categorical imperative calculation, which could be just one ethical standard, you imagine what if everyone followed the rule you're endorsing-- what are the consequences? I think if everyone followed the maxim

My personal ethics are in adopting the rules of the store/community/country when I cross over into it.

Then people would have no reason not to adopt completely unfair rules. I don't think the adoption of a rule by someone whose space you occupy is enough reason to find breaking it unethical. I don't think you are endorsing this, which leaves me a bit puzzled. I have plenty of non-ethical, self-interested reasons why I would follow the rules. But I think your rule crosses over into adopting everyone else's preferences into your ethics.


§ ita § - Nov 30, 2005 6:02:58 pm PST #8221 of 10006
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I think your rule crosses over into adopting everyone else's preferences into your ethics.

Well, you didn't reprint the part where I say this works in some scenarios and not in others.

I think your rule crosses over into adopting everyone else's preferences into your ethics.

Assuming that it was 100% applied (which I have stated is not the case), it would cross over into me accepting other people's preferences when I'm in their domains, with no onus on me to be in everyone's domain and certainly not simultaneously.


bon bon - Nov 30, 2005 6:09:53 pm PST #8222 of 10006
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

The fact that the rule only works in some scenarios and not others is why I think it's not a good rule. And why following that rule is therefore not a matter of ethics.


§ ita § - Nov 30, 2005 6:12:10 pm PST #8223 of 10006
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I never called it a rule. It's also a bad poem. So what?


bon bon - Nov 30, 2005 6:26:32 pm PST #8224 of 10006
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

My personal ethics are in adopting the rules of the store/community/country when I cross over into it.

Why wouldn't this be a rule, though? If it's a principle that only works sometimes, I feel like it's not a good principle.

This is making my head hurt. You should tell me to stop if it makes yours hurt, too. I feel bad for arguing with you on the day of your MRI.

Edited to fix quote.


Kat - Nov 30, 2005 6:58:35 pm PST #8225 of 10006
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

Ew for the roach. Too tired to read the ethics discussion.

Just skipping to say, did anyone else post about getting all 7 seasons of Buffy on an iPod?


Daisy Jane - Nov 30, 2005 7:23:41 pm PST #8226 of 10006
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

I don't want them preloaded though. I want to buy them and load them myself. Though Mr. Jane thinks he has a way to do this, so perhaps I don't care, but Buffy! while I'm working late!

I don't think counting cards is a big deal, and I can't wrap my head around not illegal, not assholeish, but still wrong.

I also hate dress codes. I am the anti-ita (though most certainly not anti-ita).

Also, I'm thinking of sending a care package to my sister. I want to FTD her a small tree and send some presents in the mail or with our other sister so she won't be so lonely. This is the first Christmas since our little brother died that she won't be there with us. I may have mentioned, because I'm so fucking proud, that she's the first woman to play the Elf in the Santaland Diaries- so good for her, but bad timing. Are there any suggestions for cheapish, small presents for a tomboyish, snarky, tall, lanky, comedic actress?


Kat - Nov 30, 2005 7:27:23 pm PST #8227 of 10006
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

hmm... tough one. an iPod? I kind of want to get an iPod for everyone this year.

BTW, Grey's Anatomy folks: am I the only one that thinks a perfect pairing (granted of dysfunction & misery) would be Alex/Meredith? It would cause such angst...


Jesse - Nov 30, 2005 7:27:39 pm PST #8228 of 10006
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Boxing nun?

You're a nice sister.