Xander: I still don't get why we came here to get info about a killer snot monster. Giles: Because it's a killer snot monster from outer space. I did not say that.

'Never Leave Me'


Natter 40: The Nice One  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


§ ita § - Nov 19, 2005 7:47:09 pm PST #5603 of 10006
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I'm not trying to present netflix as criminals.

But you said "They are Bad Guys."


DavidS - Nov 19, 2005 7:47:42 pm PST #5604 of 10006
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Brenda & Daisy, hang out for a bit. I need your expert feedback on something...


Daisy Jane - Nov 19, 2005 7:49:41 pm PST #5605 of 10006
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

Noooooooo. I can't add more to the list! The idea is to remove things.

Maybe my dad will remember my birthday this year, and I can tell him another gift certificate to Amazon for $14 will do nicely.


erikaj - Nov 19, 2005 7:55:18 pm PST #5606 of 10006
Always Anti-fascist!

(beaming at the praise of my H:LOTS evangelism) H:LOTS spent that entire year and a bit under constant threat of cancellation. Fans owe a huge debt to both Robin Williams and his deep bond with director Barry Levinson for that because the only reason there was more after Season 2 was that BL asked Robin to do the last season 2 ep "Bop Gun" and Robin said yes, because he would do anything for BL.(I love that episode because Kay's got a great scene in it and because it's so messy and morally complicated.) So they were able to wave something shiny in front of the suits and say "Look! Celebrity guest star!" And it was good. A lot of people hate that one though...I'm constantly defending it, but by RW standards I'd say the emoting is right where it should be...the first seasons are my favorites because those are true stories.And I like the old fat guys.(I don't mean porn.) But they look like detectives. Most detectives are probably Crosettis and Bolanders.ETA: And you're probably thinking "Damn, bunk, Jehovah's Witnesses probably take one day off!" But you did know the story about the woman with the niece who wouldn't die and all the insurance on her family was true, right? Including the part where they autopsy the wrong man and don't find out till after? And the part where her nephew also thinks he's her husband?


DavidS - Nov 19, 2005 8:01:11 pm PST #5607 of 10006
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Okay, help me out on this. These are questions for an imaginary interview with Tom Waits. This is NOT a real interview I have scheduled, but neither is this an academic exercise. Rate the questions based on "Which of these would I most like to hear Tom Waits answer":

1. If you could wind up a Cornell box with a Victrola crank would it sound like Swordfishtrombones?

2. In one of Matt Groening's Life Is Hell strips his two sons, Will and Abe, categorize the kind of cartoons they watch. They describe "classic" cartoons as being black and white, and that nothing much happens but the characters bounce their butts up and down to the funny old jazz music. Does the funny old jazz music of classic cartoons make your butt go up and down or does it take a Cuban marimba groove to make you switch your hips?

3. Shane McGowan - blow-dried prettyboy or Countrypolitan Crooner?

4. Bob Dylan once described himself as some combination of Sleepy John Estes and Mortimer Snerd. What combination of puppet and blues musician best characterizes your music? (note: Toppo Gigio is already taken)

5. Interviews with you have historically described your apparel as "shabby," "rumpled," and "non-descript" - completely ignoring your fashion innovations with hairnets, moustache wax in the eyebrows and alligator shoes. Do you feel like you've been misunderstood as a fashion icon?

6. What is the greatest of fats? Beef tallow, fatback or schmaltz?

7. Dave Brubeck made his drummer play in 7/8 time on the song "Unsquare Dance." Does that seem right to you?

8. In a death match of blues song titles, which one would win - "Give Me Back My Wig" or "Fattening Frogs for Snakes"?

9. I think your performance as Renfield in Francis Ford Coppola's Dracula was the greatest of all Renfields. Do you feel bad about blowing Dwight Frye off the screen, or did he have it coming?


Gus - Nov 19, 2005 8:03:05 pm PST #5608 of 10006
Bag the crypto. Say what is on your mind.

Yes, ita. Not all bad guys are criminals.

Gawd, I lurves it when erikaj goes off on a Levinson lurve-fest!


JenP - Nov 19, 2005 8:05:35 pm PST #5609 of 10006

Most detectives are probably Crosettis and Bolanders.

Yeah, that was refreshing.

Also, I think I may be in a little bit of love with Lewis already.


§ ita § - Nov 19, 2005 8:06:28 pm PST #5610 of 10006
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Not all bad guys are criminals.

I'm not sure what you mean by Bad Guys that's not criminal, and how I was supposed to know you meant something other than that.

I am interested in, however, knowing if the refutation of the points you made changes either your PoV or your argument.


brenda m - Nov 19, 2005 8:09:36 pm PST #5611 of 10006
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Roughly:

4. Bob Dylan once described himself as some combination of Sleepy John Estes and Mortimer Snerd. What combination of puppet and blues musician best characterizes your music? (note: Toppo Gigio is already taken)

3. Shane McGowan - blow-dried prettyboy or Countrypolitan Crooner?

7. Dave Brubeck made his drummer play in 7/8 time on the song "Unsquare Dance." Does that seem right to you?

5. Interviews with you have historically described your apparel as "shabby," "rumpled," and "non-descript" - completely ignoring your fashion innovations with hairnets, moustache wax in the eyebrows and alligator shoes. Do you feel like you've been misunderstood as a fashion icon?

2. In one of Matt Groening's Life Is Hell strips his two sons, Will and Abe, categorize the kind of cartoons they watch. They describe "classic" cartoons as being black and white, and that nothing much happens but the characters bounce their butts up and down to the funny old jazz music. Does the funny old jazz music of classic cartoons make your butt go up and down or does it take a Cuban marimba groove to make you switch your hips?

8. In a death match of blues song titles, which one would win - "Give Me Back My Wig" or "Fattening Frogs for Snakes"?

And now I'm dying to know what this is all about. But I expect you'll fill us in in due time.


Daisy Jane - Nov 19, 2005 8:11:12 pm PST #5612 of 10006
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

Number 4 is my favorite because, Puppet!Waits.