Simon: I'm trying to put this as delicately as I can... How do I know you won't kill me in my sleep? Mal: You don't know me, son. So let me explain this to you once: If I ever kill you, you'll be awake, you'll be facing me, and you'll be armed.

'Serenity'


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Steph L. - Dec 07, 2005 9:02:22 am PST #8346 of 10003
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Also target does have signs saying Merry Christmas up. They just are not big enough to satisfy the relious right. And you know mixed with some Happy Holiday signs which obviously are an attack on Christians.

Right. Like I said, it's not enough for Christmas to be acknowledged *along with* other holidays -- Christmas must be the only holiday acknowledged, or else it's being oppressed and watered-down and made more generic.

Which is (1) completely dumb, and (2) makes me want to smack someone.


Fred Pete - Dec 07, 2005 9:06:35 am PST #8347 of 10003
Ann, that's a ferret.

Gar, I for one don't think you're paranoid. Although I wouldn't limit the "anti-" to "semitic."

I'm guessing the fundie faction that wants to reclaim Christmas in the name of God is comprised of people who believe, roughly, that unless Christmas and ONLY Christmas is acknowledged as The Winter Holiday We All Celebrate, then it isn't good enough. All others must be shoved aside so that Christmas can reign supreme.

I don't know that that's what they think, but it IS the vibe I get from them.

Based on Wildmon's track record, I'd say you have his motives exactly right.


Jessica - Dec 07, 2005 9:08:46 am PST #8348 of 10003
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

You think I'm being paranoid about this whole "War to save Christmas" being anti-semitic:

I don't, but antisemitic quotes from Bill O'Reilly, Pat Robertson, David Duke, and Jerry Falwell aren't exactly news.


Vortex - Dec 07, 2005 9:08:54 am PST #8349 of 10003
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

The idea that "Happy Holidays" is an anti-Christian statement is absurd.

I know. My dad got on my case one year because I said “Happy Holidays” in my answering machine message. I was like “GET. OVER. IT. HH allows me to leave it on until March if I feel like it. Plus, “O Come All Ye Faithful” was playing in the background of the damn message!!”

This year she has bypassed her habit of either asking for a gift card or directing us to a specific item in a catalogue to "I'm getting Youngest daughter this particular present, and either you or mom will pay for it."

Is she HIGH?

Target is also really selling Hannukah and New Year's stuff. I don't see why running one generic ad instead of three specific ones says anything other than "one ad campaign is cheaper than three."

Exactly. See my point above about Happy Holidays


Jessica - Dec 07, 2005 9:10:20 am PST #8350 of 10003
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Is she HIGH?

My reaction precisely.


Cashmere - Dec 07, 2005 9:11:15 am PST #8351 of 10003
Now tagless for your comfort.

Perkins, a world of no. I've got nieces and nephews (or great-nieces and nephews at this point, who I'm buying for). I go in with another sister for their gifts and explicitly say how much I'll give towards that. Then my sister goes shopping with said information.

You know what I told my sisters in regards to Owen? "DO NOT GO CRAZY. If you get him a toy, make it ONE toy. If you get him clothes, he's in X size and please, he really doesn't need a lot."

I'd go off on someone that told me I'm paying for a gift they're picking out.


Ginger - Dec 07, 2005 9:12:22 am PST #8352 of 10003
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

Also, you can just as easily claim that holidays like Yule and Saturnalia were corrupted by Christians who stole all their symbols.

Not so much "stole" as "assimilated." Like the Borg.


Topic!Cindy - Dec 07, 2005 9:13:06 am PST #8353 of 10003
What is even happening?

You think I'm being paranoid about this whole "War to save Christmas" being anti-semitic:

No, I don't, but I do know some of the most reasoned pieces I've read on the pro-Christmas stuff were written by religious Jews. Anything I've read about it (not much other than here, because all of this stuff tends to make me either silly or sick) poses it much more as a secularist/religious issue than a religion A/religion B issue.


Toddson - Dec 07, 2005 9:14:15 am PST #8354 of 10003
Friends don't let friends read "Atlas Shrugged"

I think another force behind this is that for so long the only holiday acknowledged was Christmas and now that Target and others are tacitly including everyone's holiday, the fundies are feeling slighted. If they're included in the bunch, rather than being first and foremost, they're being persecuted.


Jessica - Dec 07, 2005 9:15:51 am PST #8355 of 10003
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Not so much "stole" as "assimilated." Like the Borg.

There is no Christmas, there is only Yule Zool.