Then again, when I was at BU I did feel a stronger loyalty to my peers than to my teachers, because I didn't feel like the teachers were making the effort to actually teach, and the students were very much on our own. I felt that the teachers had pretty much broken the compact that says, "the students work on learning, and the teacher helps them."

Whoa, Emily - I didn't know you went to BU. I did too (CLA '88). And I know exactly what you're talking about, though there were, blessedly, some very specific exceptions (at least one of which was my very first freshman semester which helped enormously in terms of going foreward) where the teacher was really amazing, including a few who were handling larger classes.

Yeah, I'm not so righteous (note: righteous, not self righteous) in my moral choices that I'm going to fuck somebody else's life up to enforce my values.

But cheating isn't just *your* value to enforce. I would gather that most professors frown upon cheating as would deans, presidents of universities/colleges, etc.

If you knew of someone who was lying to get ADC or food stamps, would you turn them in?

That has its own - and to my mind even more -pernicious effects.

I don't feel qualified to weigh the relative perniciousness, but I do see what you're saying -- either way can be seen as part of a slippery slope. Everyone telling on everyone for anything leads to an atmosphere of no trust and fascism. But no one reporting anything leads to a situation where only cheaters prosper, and short-term gain is the highest good.

Em, did your appointment show up? Oh, and you have e.

Or Truth, or Fairness or whatever principle you think is harmed.

Truth is the only thing I would go to the wall for. I have no problem whatsoever turning in someone for trying to misrepresent themselves.

If you knew of someone who was lying to get ADC or food stamps, would you turn them in?

Depends on what I'd know of their situation, and I say this having worked post-charge diversion where a lot of our cases were welfare fraud. If it's a matter of survival for the family, no, I would not.

You do know someone who has done that. In the past, yes, but I did because nobody would get anything telling the gospel truth on a food stamp form. Does that make the answer different? (If it doesn't, I'm a dumbass, too.)

Bugger

DH's interview went well. He liked the company and the work he would be doing. Then they talked money. It is a non-profit company. What they are offering is no where close to what he was making before, plus the job is in SF, so added commute costs.

Bugger.

I would gather that most professors frown upon cheating as would deans, presidents of universities/colleges, etc.

They frown on drinking too, but it would not occur to most college students to report that.

I am the sort who would confront someone about plagiarism, but not cheating. I see it as their problem, which I realize is totally inconsistent.

I didn't know you went to BU

For grad school. 2001-04.

If you knew of someone who was lying to get ADC or food stamps, would you turn them in?

Ooh, trickier question, in my book -- are they lying because they totally don't need them, or are they lying because legislation from unconnected politicians has meant they can't get them and they desperately need them?

And no, she's a no-show for the third week in a row. Guess I'll call her. (Also, I thought "you have e" meant I'd failed some class, and there was a tiny moment of raw shock before I figured it out.)