Mal: Then I call it a win. What's the problem? Inara: Should I start with the part where you're stranded in the middle of nowhere, or the part where you have no clothes?

'Trash'


Natter 39 and Holding  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Topic!Cindy - Oct 03, 2005 2:25:42 pm PDT #2990 of 10002
What is even happening?

Only the real nutjobs would drop health (since, generally, "health" includes "will having this baby kill her?") and the super-nutjobs drop life. The loony reasoning is "doctors would lie." Yeah, so?
Why am I thinking that the ban on so-called "partial birth" abortions does not make an exception for the health of the mother?


Tom Scola - Oct 03, 2005 2:31:10 pm PDT #2991 of 10002
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

Tom DeLay indicted. Again.


Burrell - Oct 03, 2005 2:32:43 pm PDT #2992 of 10002
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

Why am I thinking that the ban on so-called "partial birth" abortions does not make an exception for the health of the mother?

My understanding is that the ban on Dilation & Extraction abortions does not mean that all late term abortions are banned. It simply places a ban on the preferred method. There are other methods, but these put the mother at a much higher risk for complications.


Jesse - Oct 03, 2005 2:34:19 pm PDT #2993 of 10002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

My understanding is that the ban on Dilation & Extraction abortions does not mean that all late term abortions are banned. It simply places a ban on the preferred method. There are other methods, but these put the mother at a much higher risk for complications.

Yeah, it's even just Intact D&E, IIRC. But I don't really want to get into it.


Topic!Cindy - Oct 03, 2005 2:34:21 pm PDT #2994 of 10002
What is even happening?

It simply places a ban on the preferred method. There are other methods, but these put the mother at a much higher risk for complications.
Am I right in thinking there's an exception for the life of the mother with the D&E (thanks--the term completely slipped my brain, before), but not for her health?


Aims - Oct 03, 2005 2:38:45 pm PDT #2995 of 10002
Shit's all sorts of different now.

As far as I understood the ban, it was, "No way, no how, no matter what. Even Mom." I could be wrong.


dw - Oct 03, 2005 2:40:32 pm PDT #2996 of 10002
Silence means security silence means approval

Why am I thinking that the ban on so-called "partial birth" abortions does not make an exception for the health of the mother?

That's why the Congressional ban got flipped by the SCOTUS -- no "life and health" clause.

Some think the eliding of "health" was the real test of the SCOTUS, not the ban on D&E.


Burrell - Oct 03, 2005 2:41:20 pm PDT #2997 of 10002
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

Thanks Jesse.


Jesse - Oct 03, 2005 2:41:45 pm PDT #2998 of 10002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

It's not even really a ban on D&E in the language, I don't think -- it's all this inflammatory non-medical language.


Gudanov - Oct 03, 2005 2:57:39 pm PDT #2999 of 10002
Coding and Sleeping

I do think Republican strategists are afraid of not having abortion as an issue. There are other issues like gay marriage and ethuanasia, but I don't think you get the same kind of traction as with abortion and Bush didn't exactly get landside victories against two of the least charismatic candidates out there.