I just think it's rather odd that a nation that prides itself on its virility should feel compelled to strap on forty pounds of protective gear just in order to play rugby.

Giles ,'Beneath You'


Natter 39 and Holding  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Topic!Cindy - Oct 03, 2005 2:25:42 pm PDT #2990 of 10002
What is even happening?

Only the real nutjobs would drop health (since, generally, "health" includes "will having this baby kill her?") and the super-nutjobs drop life. The loony reasoning is "doctors would lie." Yeah, so?
Why am I thinking that the ban on so-called "partial birth" abortions does not make an exception for the health of the mother?


Tom Scola - Oct 03, 2005 2:31:10 pm PDT #2991 of 10002
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

Tom DeLay indicted. Again.


Burrell - Oct 03, 2005 2:32:43 pm PDT #2992 of 10002
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

Why am I thinking that the ban on so-called "partial birth" abortions does not make an exception for the health of the mother?

My understanding is that the ban on Dilation & Extraction abortions does not mean that all late term abortions are banned. It simply places a ban on the preferred method. There are other methods, but these put the mother at a much higher risk for complications.


Jesse - Oct 03, 2005 2:34:19 pm PDT #2993 of 10002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

My understanding is that the ban on Dilation & Extraction abortions does not mean that all late term abortions are banned. It simply places a ban on the preferred method. There are other methods, but these put the mother at a much higher risk for complications.

Yeah, it's even just Intact D&E, IIRC. But I don't really want to get into it.


Topic!Cindy - Oct 03, 2005 2:34:21 pm PDT #2994 of 10002
What is even happening?

It simply places a ban on the preferred method. There are other methods, but these put the mother at a much higher risk for complications.
Am I right in thinking there's an exception for the life of the mother with the D&E (thanks--the term completely slipped my brain, before), but not for her health?


Aims - Oct 03, 2005 2:38:45 pm PDT #2995 of 10002
Shit's all sorts of different now.

As far as I understood the ban, it was, "No way, no how, no matter what. Even Mom." I could be wrong.


dw - Oct 03, 2005 2:40:32 pm PDT #2996 of 10002
Silence means security silence means approval

Why am I thinking that the ban on so-called "partial birth" abortions does not make an exception for the health of the mother?

That's why the Congressional ban got flipped by the SCOTUS -- no "life and health" clause.

Some think the eliding of "health" was the real test of the SCOTUS, not the ban on D&E.


Burrell - Oct 03, 2005 2:41:20 pm PDT #2997 of 10002
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

Thanks Jesse.


Jesse - Oct 03, 2005 2:41:45 pm PDT #2998 of 10002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

It's not even really a ban on D&E in the language, I don't think -- it's all this inflammatory non-medical language.


Gudanov - Oct 03, 2005 2:57:39 pm PDT #2999 of 10002
Coding and Sleeping

I do think Republican strategists are afraid of not having abortion as an issue. There are other issues like gay marriage and ethuanasia, but I don't think you get the same kind of traction as with abortion and Bush didn't exactly get landside victories against two of the least charismatic candidates out there.