I think that's Amanda's point. Just because something is done all the time, that doesn't you should stop doing it.
Well, yeah, I get that. But breathing is still not a cliche.
It's not like she blew me off. She just left with another guy, that's all.
Riley ,'Conversations with Dead People'
Buffista Music III: The Search for Bach
There's a lady plays her fav'rite records/On the jukebox ev'ry day/All day long she plays the same old songs/And she believes the things that they say/She sings along with all the saddest songs/And she believes the stories are real/She lets the music dictate the way that she feels.
lisah - Mar 14, 2008 9:39:13 am PDT #7383 of 10003
Punishingly Intricate
Jon B. - Mar 14, 2008 10:31:18 am PDT #7384 of 10003
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!
Well, yeah, I get that. But breathing is still not a cliche.
And neither is playing "Hallelujah", is her point.
sumi - Mar 14, 2008 10:35:13 am PDT #7385 of 10003
Art Crawl!!!
Yeah, but using it in musical montages on tv is.
Hayden - Mar 14, 2008 10:36:04 am PDT #7386 of 10003
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."
xpost, responding to Jon.
Mmm, I don't agree with that. Breathing's not a cliche because a cliche is a creative action, a phrase or concept or something like that. Playing a song can be a cliche, maybe not like yelling for "Free Bird," but covering "Hallelujah" is getting there if it isn't there already. I think Lisa's right. The analogy doesn't make sense, although the feeling behind the analogy does.
Jon B. - Mar 14, 2008 10:40:30 am PDT #7387 of 10003
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!
Let me explain it mathily.
Amanda Palmer postulates that:
IF [(playing "Hallelujah") == cliché] THEN [(breathing) == cliché]
Therefore, it follows, by some rule of logic that I've completely forgotten the name of, that:
IF [breathing != cliché] THEN [(playing "Hallelujah") != cliché]
Since we know, courtesy of Lisah's Law, that [breathing != cliché], we can state conclusively that [(playing "Hallelujah") != cliché]
QED
Jon B. - Mar 14, 2008 10:44:08 am PDT #7388 of 10003
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!
I should add that, personally, I think it *is* a cliché, but the analogy makes sense coming from someone who doesn't.
lisah - Mar 14, 2008 10:46:25 am PDT #7389 of 10003
Punishingly Intricate
I'm torn between
I think Lisa's right.
and
courtesy of Lisah's Law
I'm right!!!
but...
I have a law!!!
Jon B. - Mar 14, 2008 10:51:44 am PDT #7390 of 10003
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!
See also, "A man without a woman is like a fish without a bicycle."
Just because fish don't have bicycles, you never hear people say that the analogy doesn't work. Stupid and annoying: yes. Doesn't work: no.
Hayden - Mar 14, 2008 10:54:47 am PDT #7391 of 10003
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."
Jon, someone with more recent schooling in logic may correct me on this, but I think your QED only works if the original IF is replaced by an IIF or If And Only If.
DavidS - Mar 14, 2008 10:58:27 am PDT #7392 of 10003
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
I am making the music mixes for my reading tonight.
So these will be playing in-store as people arrive.
Actually, since I've got two mixes they could start it about three hours before the show.
But it's cool! I've got snippets from his interviews that illustrate things from the book, and stories he tells in concert (like, "Used Erotica"), and demos and live tracks and I put them next to their influences (Elmer Bernstein, Beefheart, James Chance, James Brown).
I might have to post them both at Buffrawk when I get a minute. It's worth it just to have Jesse Mae Hemphill's "She Wolf."