I should add that, personally, I think it *is* a cliché, but the analogy makes sense coming from someone who doesn't.

I'm torn between

I think Lisa's right.

and

courtesy of Lisah's Law

I'm right!!!

but...

I have a law!!!

See also, "A man without a woman is like a fish without a bicycle."

Just because fish don't have bicycles, you never hear people say that the analogy doesn't work. Stupid and annoying: yes. Doesn't work: no.

Jon, someone with more recent schooling in logic may correct me on this, but I think your QED only works if the original IF is replaced by an IIF or If And Only If.

I am making the music mixes for my reading tonight.

So these will be playing in-store as people arrive.

Actually, since I've got two mixes they could start it about three hours before the show.

But it's cool! I've got snippets from his interviews that illustrate things from the book, and stories he tells in concert (like, "Used Erotica"), and demos and live tracks and I put them next to their influences (Elmer Bernstein, Beefheart, James Chance, James Brown).

I might have to post them both at Buffrawk when I get a minute. It's worth it just to have Jesse Mae Hemphill's "She Wolf."

That's very cool, David.

I think the logic is off-track about the analogy, too. Lisa's point (I think, but well, it's my point, too, now) was that playing Hallelujah could conceivably be a cliche, but breathing could not.

but I think your QED only works if the original IF is replaced by an IIF or If And Only If.

Sorry, I just made a truth table and confirmed my logic.

Thankfully, Hec changes the subject before Corwood and I come to blows in the playground at recess.

playing Hallelujah could conceivably be a cliche

According to Amanda Palmer, it could not conceivably be one. That is her point.

I don't know why I'm so obsessed with defending Amanda Palmer. I don't even particularly like her music. But...

If she had instead opined, "Saying that playing 'Hallelujah' is a cliché is as ridiculous as saying that breathing is a cliché", would that have been clearer? because that, I think, was her point.

Lisa's point (I think, but well, it's my point, too, now) was that playing Hallelujah could conceivably be a cliche, but breathing could not.

Yes, this was my point!

According to Amanda Palmer, it could not conceivably be one. That is her point.

I understand this but how don't see how she could say playing that song could not be considered a cliche. Although, like I said, I could understand her saying "fuck it, it's a cliche but we love the song and are going to play it anyway."

I don't know why I'm so obsessed with defending Amanda Palmer. I don't even particularly like her music. But...

Because ridiculous but friendly arguments are fun!