That's very cool, David.
I think the logic is off-track about the analogy, too. Lisa's point (I think, but well, it's my point, too, now) was that playing Hallelujah could conceivably be a cliche, but breathing could not.
Giles, help! He's going to scold me!
Buffy ,'Never Leave Me'
Buffista Music III: The Search for Bach
There's a lady plays her fav'rite records/On the jukebox ev'ry day/All day long she plays the same old songs/And she believes the things that they say/She sings along with all the saddest songs/And she believes the stories are real/She lets the music dictate the way that she feels.
Hayden - Mar 14, 2008 11:01:24 am PDT #7393 of 10003
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."
Jon B. - Mar 14, 2008 11:03:50 am PDT #7394 of 10003
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!
but I think your QED only works if the original IF is replaced by an IIF or If And Only If.
Sorry, I just made a truth table and confirmed my logic.
Thankfully, Hec changes the subject before Corwood and I come to blows in the playground at recess.
playing Hallelujah could conceivably be a cliche
According to Amanda Palmer, it could not conceivably be one. That is her point.
Jon B. - Mar 14, 2008 11:10:32 am PDT #7395 of 10003
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!
I don't know why I'm so obsessed with defending Amanda Palmer. I don't even particularly like her music. But...
If she had instead opined, "Saying that playing 'Hallelujah' is a cliché is as ridiculous as saying that breathing is a cliché", would that have been clearer? because that, I think, was her point.
lisah - Mar 14, 2008 11:13:09 am PDT #7396 of 10003
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Lisa's point (I think, but well, it's my point, too, now) was that playing Hallelujah could conceivably be a cliche, but breathing could not.
Yes, this was my point!
According to Amanda Palmer, it could not conceivably be one. That is her point.
I understand this but how don't see how she could say playing that song could not be considered a cliche. Although, like I said, I could understand her saying "fuck it, it's a cliche but we love the song and are going to play it anyway."
lisah - Mar 14, 2008 11:14:00 am PDT #7397 of 10003
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I don't know why I'm so obsessed with defending Amanda Palmer. I don't even particularly like her music. But...
Because ridiculous but friendly arguments are fun!
Tom Scola - Mar 14, 2008 11:15:31 am PDT #7398 of 10003
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Jon B. - Mar 14, 2008 11:22:05 am PDT #7399 of 10003
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!
I understand this but how don't see how she could say playing that song could not be considered a cliche. Although, like I said, I could understand her saying "fuck it, it's a cliche but we love the song and are going to play it anyway."
Hey! I agree with lisah!
lisah - Mar 14, 2008 11:25:55 am PDT #7400 of 10003
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Hey! I agree with lisah!
YES!!!
Hayden - Mar 14, 2008 11:27:04 am PDT #7401 of 10003
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."
Sorry, I just made a truth table and confirmed my logic.
CURSES! Foiled again.
Jon B. - Mar 14, 2008 11:44:31 am PDT #7402 of 10003
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!
Don't mess with an Actuary, dude.