I think that's Amanda's point. Just because something is done all the time, that doesn't you should stop doing it.
Yes. Oh good god, yes. She's right.
A man walks down the street in that hat, people know he's not afraid of anything.
Wash ,'The Message'
Buffista Music III: The Search for Bach
There's a lady plays her fav'rite records/On the jukebox ev'ry day/All day long she plays the same old songs/And she believes the things that they say/She sings along with all the saddest songs/And she believes the stories are real/She lets the music dictate the way that she feels.
Atropa - Mar 14, 2008 9:34:28 am PDT #7382 of 10003
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.
lisah - Mar 14, 2008 9:39:13 am PDT #7383 of 10003
Punishingly Intricate
I think that's Amanda's point. Just because something is done all the time, that doesn't you should stop doing it.
Well, yeah, I get that. But breathing is still not a cliche.
Jon B. - Mar 14, 2008 10:31:18 am PDT #7384 of 10003
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!
Well, yeah, I get that. But breathing is still not a cliche.
And neither is playing "Hallelujah", is her point.
sumi - Mar 14, 2008 10:35:13 am PDT #7385 of 10003
Art Crawl!!!
Yeah, but using it in musical montages on tv is.
Hayden - Mar 14, 2008 10:36:04 am PDT #7386 of 10003
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."
xpost, responding to Jon.
Mmm, I don't agree with that. Breathing's not a cliche because a cliche is a creative action, a phrase or concept or something like that. Playing a song can be a cliche, maybe not like yelling for "Free Bird," but covering "Hallelujah" is getting there if it isn't there already. I think Lisa's right. The analogy doesn't make sense, although the feeling behind the analogy does.
Jon B. - Mar 14, 2008 10:40:30 am PDT #7387 of 10003
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!
Let me explain it mathily.
Amanda Palmer postulates that:
IF [(playing "Hallelujah") == cliché] THEN [(breathing) == cliché]
Therefore, it follows, by some rule of logic that I've completely forgotten the name of, that:
IF [breathing != cliché] THEN [(playing "Hallelujah") != cliché]
Since we know, courtesy of Lisah's Law, that [breathing != cliché], we can state conclusively that [(playing "Hallelujah") != cliché]
QED
Jon B. - Mar 14, 2008 10:44:08 am PDT #7388 of 10003
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!
I should add that, personally, I think it *is* a cliché, but the analogy makes sense coming from someone who doesn't.
lisah - Mar 14, 2008 10:46:25 am PDT #7389 of 10003
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I'm torn between
I think Lisa's right.
and
courtesy of Lisah's Law
I'm right!!!
but...
I have a law!!!
Jon B. - Mar 14, 2008 10:51:44 am PDT #7390 of 10003
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!
See also, "A man without a woman is like a fish without a bicycle."
Just because fish don't have bicycles, you never hear people say that the analogy doesn't work. Stupid and annoying: yes. Doesn't work: no.
Hayden - Mar 14, 2008 10:54:47 am PDT #7391 of 10003
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."
Jon, someone with more recent schooling in logic may correct me on this, but I think your QED only works if the original IF is replaced by an IIF or If And Only If.