I kissed him, and I told him that I loved him. And I killed him.

Buffy ,'Same Time, Same Place'


Veronica Mars: Annoy, Tiny Blonde One. Annoy Like the Wind.

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P.M. Marc - Oct 20, 2005 6:28:07 am PDT #805 of 5730
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

The A story just got on my nerves. The woman felt like the worst sort of JAP stereotype, which had me sort of tilting my head sideways and wondering why, exactly, they'd decided to go that particular route.

Jon, I'm still not quite able to put what bothers me about the way women on the show--especially case-of-the-week women--are written into words. It's probably something like my problem with this week's A plot (only minus the ethnic stereotyping), where things feel too often like they're drawing from negative stereotypes of female behavior.


Strix - Oct 20, 2005 6:40:27 am PDT #806 of 5730
A dress should be tight enough to show you're a woman but loose enough to flee from zombies. — Ginger

Last night's ep was ok....except it made me realize I also have a severe case of itchy panties for Logan. Um, yeah.

Bitchy, bitchy Logan. I missed last week's ep due to falling asleep at 6:15 p.m. -- did Logan and Dorkan get into a fight?


Jon B. - Oct 20, 2005 6:41:03 am PDT #807 of 5730
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

I've never thought of the "jealous lover" as a gender-specific thing. It could just as easily have been a jealous boyfriend wanting to check of on his girl. And we would have been spared the silly co-ed scene.

the worst sort of JAP stereotype

That pinged me, but only a teeny bit. Hey -- Jews, Irish Catholics -- at least they're equal opportunity offenders.


bon bon - Oct 20, 2005 6:59:30 am PDT #808 of 5730
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

I'd be interested in your analysis, Plei. I'm not sure the show isn't an equal opportunity stereotyper in portraying characters with base motives. Case-of-the-week guys should as one-dimensional as the women. Take, say, M.A.D., with the homophobic, blackmailing jealous boyfriend. Most of the guys on this show-- with the exception of Keith and Wallace-- have violent streak. On the other hand, most of the women are unfaithful.


P.M. Marc - Oct 20, 2005 7:12:28 am PDT #809 of 5730
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

With a few exceptions, like M.A.D. guy and stepdude in The Girl Next Door, they manage to work in an explanation/sympathetic backstory for the violent guys. Sure, Aaron's a son-whumping, piece-of-ass murdering crazy man, but he, too, was the product of an abusive home! As is Logan, natch. Sure, Duncan's prone to hyper rage blackouts, but that's just part of his Luxan physiology! (Actually, if I picture D'argo in the Duncan role, Duncan is suddenly way more entertaining.) Weevil loves his Granny.

I don't see as much rounding out of the female characters. I live, however, in hope.


Frankenbuddha - Oct 20, 2005 8:10:39 am PDT #810 of 5730
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Sure, Duncan's prone to hyper rage blackouts, but that's just part of his Luxan physiology! (Actually, if I picture D'argo in the Duncan role, Duncan is suddenly way more entertaining.) Weevil loves his Granny.

See, after bringing in the FARSCAPE reference you've got me imagining Weevil mooning over Naranti. It's not a pretty picture.

Though I am undeniably amused by imagining D'Argo as Duncan.


P.M. Marc - Oct 20, 2005 10:56:49 am PDT #811 of 5730
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

See, after bringing in the FARSCAPE reference you've got me imagining Weevil mooning over Naranti. It's not a pretty picture.

It's not, but it made me laugh and laugh and laugh.


Gris - Oct 20, 2005 1:41:01 pm PDT #812 of 5730
Hey. New board.

Well, Plei, all the cases of guys with backstories that clear them of their shittiness you mentioned are regulars. The only regular female is Veronica (and now, Jackie, who we haven't had around long enough to get much of anything on). Mac, Veronica, Meg, the semi-regular girls of last season - do they cause you gender concerns? I really think you can make a case for equal-opportunity stereotyping and cardboard characterization of minor characters. Example: Madison sucks hard in the first season, but Dick's no better and maybe worse.

As to this week: I can see the criticisms, though I mostly enjoyed the episode. However, the first Colin's-a-good-guy revelation (secretly seeing a Rabbi) was one of my favorite moments EVER in the series, for reasons that will be obvious to some.

The coed scene did suck, though.


Sheryl - Oct 20, 2005 1:47:41 pm PDT #813 of 5730
Fandom means never having to say "But where would I wear that?"

I didn't fast-forward through the coed scene, though now that I think about it, I probably should have. The client-of-the week, though she was Jewish, didn't ping the JAP sterotype for me, since she didn't physically resemble the women/girls I knew who were like that.(might be an east coast thing, dunno) I did want to shake her and tell her she was being a twit...


P.M. Marc - Oct 20, 2005 1:50:14 pm PDT #814 of 5730
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Lilly, Veronica's mother with the name I can't spell, and Trina were all about as recurring as Mac and Meg. As were Mrs. Kane and Logan's mom.

Lilly's painted as a charming, scheming whore. Trina's a selfish and shallow bitch. Logan's mother sits by and drinks while Aaron beats him. Mrs. Kane, compared to Mr. Kane, is a cold and nasty woman.

I wrote some of this up in comments when I was first watching, and I'll see if I can find them.