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Veronica Mars: Annoy, Tiny Blonde One. Annoy Like the Wind.

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Micole - Sep 29, 2005 7:13:16 am PDT #499 of 5730
I've been working on a song about the difference between analogy and metaphor.

X-posted from LJ:

  • Structure This wasn't as stunning as the best flashback episodes of the previous season, the pilot and "A Trip to the Dentist" (1x21), but it had different constraints and I think it did fairly well with them. It had to bring new viewers up to speed on the first season, tell viewers new and old what had happened over the summer, perform the mystery of the week, and set up the mystery of the season. And "mystery" here is really a hold-all term I'm using not just for plot but for theme: it's already clear that Rob Thomas isn't done with the concept of class war and high-life corruption, and that he's still intrigued by the impact of economic and social power on political struggles.

The structure also gives us a sense of the emotional whiplash Veronica's living in, as well as a sense of her ambiguous feelings towards events. I don't think it's (just) an easy way to create or maintain suspense; we see very clearly what's most important and most fraught to Veronica.

  • Veronica Two things about Veronica are clear from this episode: (1) she's not sure where she stands; (2) she wants to go back to as much of her past as she can.

She rejects the role of crusader for truth ("I don't do that any more," she tells the first kid to ask her for help), and is pulled in by personal loyalty to her best friend rather than any abstract desire for justice, exactly as she was drawn into investigating Lilly's murder; at the same time, personal desires and loyalties don't blind her to larger concerns or goals. It's telling that the immediate impetus for her break-up with Logan is that he still defines "right" as "loyalty to friends," without regard for who else gets hurt.

It's the impetus, but it's not the only reason: Duncan's making his interest clear before then, and her response is also clear; just listen to the special sweetness for him in her tone. She's also, wisely, wary of Logan's anger, impatience, violence, and poor impulse control, and possibly also wary of her own attraction to him; if I had to make a guess, I would say she's probably more sexually attracted to Logan but more emotionally engaged with Duncan. The differences in body language are fascinating -- we see her go farther with Logan (deeper kisses, making out in the car), but when she's with Duncan in public, she clings. When she's with Duncan, we don't see the Veronica we know best: headstrong, resourceful, smart, and smart-mouthed. We see sweetness and dependence. It's noteworthy that Duncan courts her by helping clean up at the café, by showing up every day, by being reliable, patient, and steady. Hell, it's noteworthy that he courts her. It's old-fashioned. It's a reversion to the safety and security of the past. It will not last.

  • Duncan and Logan I don't watch this primarily as a show about romances, and I suspect it's going to prove disappointing for anyone who does. Or I almost hope it does, because so far I'm cautiously happy that they haven't forgotten Logan's an asshole, or that the story is about Veronica, not Logan; and I'm willing to be interested in his subplots so long as the writers remember that. Poor Duncan still gets less of a showing, but his function in this episode is largely to be the object of Veronica's desire; I hope that as the season goes on, we'll get to see more of his rage and fear and the fall-out of the last season on him.

  • Meg They killed Meg! Those bastards! I'll miss her. I liked her sweet and I liked her bitter and I'm intrigued by the blondeness of her hair for more than one reason. She was recapitulating Veronica's progress, clearly, but it also means that someone might have been aiming the schoolbus sabotage at Veronica and thought she was safely on the bus; the bus and the shooting at Veronica and Logan in the car make two attempts on Veronica's life which don't appear to be direct attempts on Veronica. And may not have been; but it's something to keep in mind over the (continued...)


Micole - Sep 29, 2005 7:13:23 am PDT #500 of 5730
I've been working on a song about the difference between analogy and metaphor.

( continues...) season.

  • Elsewise The Casablancas brothers are in the credits, my God. I still despise them, although I do pity them a little, uncomfortably. Nice noir vampishness from Charisma Carpenter. I miss Mac. There's a new girl in the credits we haven't met yet. Daughter of Gutenberg is kind of freaky; I am trying to reserve judgment. Why are the Casablancas brothers sucking up to Duncan by offering him a limo ride? Why did they want Meg there? Was it all just a play to make Duncan, Meg, and Veronica uncomfortable so they could laugh about it with Logan? I missed the motivation for the mystery of the week, but I suppose I'll get it on rewatch.


Micole - Sep 29, 2005 7:14:21 am PDT #501 of 5730
I've been working on a song about the difference between analogy and metaphor.

Also, if someone had deliberately broken a lamp as an act of rage in my house, you damn well bet my father would have kicked them out. Completely unacceptable.


Kalshane - Sep 29, 2005 7:33:30 am PDT #502 of 5730
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why? Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.

It might just be me, but I felt it was weird for the bus to even stop at the gas station. Every field trip I was ever on, the bus never stopped for gas. I imagine if the bus had to refill, the driver did it while we were busy doing our field-trippy things. And I can't imagine them being too far from Neptune, just on the basis that Weevil happened to be at the random gas station.

That and I can't imagine Dick's father sending his limo all that far just so his son wouldn't have to ride the bus home from a field trip, though I'm not remotely rich so I could be wrong.

So I'm thinking it had to be someplace an hour or two away, tops, which makes the need to refill in mid-trip (and give the kids a chance to grab snacks, etc.) kind of strange.


smonster - Sep 29, 2005 7:35:14 am PDT #503 of 5730
We won’t stop until everyone is gay.

I'd say pee break, but the bus was parked at the pump.


Wolfram - Sep 29, 2005 9:04:46 am PDT #504 of 5730
Visilurking

It might just be me, but I felt it was weird for the bus to even stop at the gas station.

I remember it happening once or twice (in my youth) when a busdriver just didn't remember to fill the tank. It's unusual but not implausible.


Gris - Sep 29, 2005 1:21:50 pm PDT #505 of 5730
Hey. New board.

Oh. My. God. Finally watched it.

That ending was ridiculous. This show really is all about the ratcheting it up a notch, huh?


Polter-Cow - Sep 29, 2005 6:56:21 pm PDT #506 of 5730
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Oh, by the way. If any of you were wondering what was in Lilly's spy pen, I found out.


smonster - Sep 29, 2005 7:02:00 pm PDT #507 of 5730
We won’t stop until everyone is gay.

Dude, P-C, I *just* watched that episode now. Thanks for the timely tidbit!


bon bon - Sep 29, 2005 7:06:49 pm PDT #508 of 5730
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

Interview with Rob Thomas in this week's Time Out New York. The interesting comment is at the end:

"The response of his peers has been equally gratifying. 'I got the nicest note from Joss Whedon, in which he said that he was such a fan of Veronica Mars that he now better understood the fervor of Buffy fans,' Thomas says. 'He grasps it now that he's on the other end. It's a heady feeling.'"