It\'s expected for their user base, though.

Just because some people can deal with it doesn\'t make it less user-hostile.

things have always had insane splits, even dating back to MBTV days.

And that\'s why I never go there.

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I think that MBTV used to just split things into three or so pages. The 20-page thing started happening around 2000 or 2001.

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Just because some people can deal with it doesn't make it less user-hostile.

It doesn't, but I'm pointing out that it's not a recent development, but rather how it's been done since back when I still read things there.

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I'd also like to point out, in argument against "contempt for readers" and "user hostility," TWoP finally introduced page links, despite the fact that they had previously forced you to go page to page to page to maximize pageloads. They gain absolutely nothing from adding page links and, in fact, decrease pageloads.

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Is the TWoP interview in an obvious place, or will I have to hunt for it.

http://www.televisionwithoutpity.com/articles/content/a12755/

Thanks, P-C. I went and found it on my own. I'm sorry you went to the trouble.

I think common criticism/Rob is wrong about a couple of things. I don't think Logan's mystery made season 2 too convoluted. I think that, in an effort not to give away the Big Mystery Reveal, they let the mystery lay fallow longer than I would have liked. Some of the clues could have come through Logan's mystery. There was too much shoved into the end. I don't think you should sacrifice the whole season's pacing to having a block buster finale.

I'm pretty much with Rob on season 3, except I don't think he has a great feeling for how emotions play on screen. I think they've turned out some fine episodes, except I think too much was (again) mooooshed into the final story in the arc.

About the emotions -- I don't want Logan and Veronica all sweetiepie happy all the time, either. But I don't feel the roller coaster thrill I think he's trying to pull off. It stopped being a compelling relationship (for me, as a viewer) not because they were either together or apart, but because of how they were together. Now whether that will change in the upcoming chunk of episodes is anyone's game, but they were cold to me, even in what should have been their happy moments. The heat seems to be gone (imo).

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despite the fact that they had previously forced you to go page to page to page to maximize pageloads.

They never forced me. I found the page number in the URL and substituted. :)

I don't love the 20 page article, but it's not like it's actual labor to click to the next page. I doubt it's coming from contempt. I think it's just a financial fact that they need to do it, and bully for them. I sure wouldn't want to pay their bills, every month.

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They never forced me. I found the page number in the URL and substituted. :)

Yeah, I never understood what the huge deal about the page links was either for that reason.

On a slower computer it is a pain to load up all those pages, but I don't think TWoP would exist otherwise. The cost of running such a huge site must be enormous. I read their bugs threads for fun & profit and Glark is constantly putting out fires and he seems to be their only in-house tech person. FWIW, from talking to Sars a couple times she's a pretty cool too.

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i'm writing this while being distracted at work. so sorry if it's not with the sensemaking.

Sour with the sweet, unfortunately.

truly, i'm not sure that it can be blamed on fandom entirely because i do share some of the complaints that are voiced. i'm just not sure that some of the issues would even occur to me if i didn't read other people's posts about what they liked/disliked about the eps. i'm a pretty easy to please girl, tv wise, but last season and this season of VM have been missing that special something that season one had. Rob's right in that it is difficult to have an over-arcing plot year after year that involves and matters to Veronica(and the other core characters), but at the same time that's what got me watching. so if he doesn't think he can accomplish that maybe the best thing to do is for me to either stop watching and/or for him to move on to another project.

I would read that TWoP article, but the fact that it's split out across twenty pages annoys the living crap out of me.

yeah. it is pretty irritating.

That is why I never read anything there

I thought i was the only one...

Did I miss something big kerfuffle-wise in VM/RT land? What's the rumpus?

there's been contention for a while because of the way RT depicted feminists and Veronica and the L/V relationship, etcetcetc. oh and apparently spoilerwhores aren't happy with some spoilers that have been leaked(which i know nothing about since i'm a spoilerphobe). basically, it's the old cliche. you can't please all of the people all of the time.

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I don't love the 20 page article, but it's not like it's actual labor to click to the next page.

I will say, I used to try and read MBTV back when it was MBTV, but I was on a dialup and the pages took so effing long to load, and I hd to do it so often, I stopped going there. It trained me pretty well not to go back, since I've had cable internet for more than a year and I still don't go there.

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Too bad RT didn't tell how Veronica "Yea! I'm going to Stanford!" Mars ended up at Hearst college. I'm still waiting for that explanation, if there is one.

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