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Veronica Mars: Annoy, Tiny Blonde One. Annoy Like the Wind.

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Amy - Nov 29, 2006 7:43:26 am PST #4523 of 5730
Because books.

I think they could have made more of Mercer's Mexican alibi. Since none of the girls who were raped knew who the culprit was, faking a rape was really dangerous -- the one suspect with the most evidence against him was cleared because his alibi proved that he wasn't responsible for one of the rapes. Of course, that was a rape that never happened. I would have liked (or would still like) the women responsible for the faking idea to understand how much harder they made it to actually catch Mercer (and, um, Moe).


Polter-Cow - Nov 29, 2006 7:44:43 am PST #4524 of 5730
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

I would have liked (or would still like) the women responsible for the faking idea to understand how much harder they made it to actually catch Mercer (and, um, Moe).

Oh, yeah. I don't think there was enough time to address that in the finale, although I do hope Veronica yells at them some more about that.


sumi - Nov 29, 2006 7:46:35 am PST #4525 of 5730
Art Crawl!!!

Is it general knowledge that those rapes were faked? If not - will that come out before the trial? Or will Mercer's defense attornery want to use those rapes as a reason to show that he isn't the serial rapist because he didn't commit all the rapes?


bon bon - Nov 29, 2006 7:48:01 am PST #4526 of 5730
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

although I do hope Veronica yells at them some more about that.

I could see that subplot coming up again since they will probably be a suspect in the murder. Another prediction: Weevil will be arrested in the cold open.


Polter-Cow - Nov 29, 2006 8:01:51 am PST #4527 of 5730
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

From pifeedback.com:

CW’s Veronica Mars (Viewers: 3.49 million; A18-49: 1.6/ 4). Not only did Veronica Mars hit a season high, it posted its best rating ever among adults 18-34 (2.0/ 6), it tied its best rating ever among adults 18-49, and had its second biggest audience ever. Retention out of Gilmore Girls was also improved at 72 percent in total viewers, 80 percent in adults 18-34 and 73 percent among adults 18-49.

It's amazing what happens when you A) make an exciting promo and B) air it during ANTM and SPN.


le nubian - Nov 29, 2006 8:03:50 am PST #4528 of 5730
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

no shit. that's great.


Topic!Cindy - Nov 29, 2006 9:19:36 am PST #4529 of 5730
What is even happening?

Veronica checked the dates for Stacy, Nancy, and Parker. Nancy was August 13, the Mexico alibi, and thus had to be faked.
When? The only dates I remember her checking were September 30th and March 24 (which would have been Stacy's).

I'm glad the SPE had consequences
What's the SPE? I know I should probably know, but I don't.

I disagree, as his alibi has been scrutinized multiple times and held up, despite suspicions. I love the layers of his fake alibi. I love that he was both arrested and cleared. I love that I said, "So we know Mercer's not the rapist, right?" when all the fingers were pointing to him so early.

I don't think it was bad, P-C. I like the layers and everything you like, too. I just think the execution was cheap to an extent I think is beneath this show, and the continuity error (which was very small, and Rick Pickett's fault probably, not the writers') made it all so confusing, it was too opaque to revisit.

Let me try another way to explain. I would have been impressed (rather than insulted) by Tijuana alibi, if it had occured in real time. That the serial rapist committed a rape (fake rape) on August 13th, is the reason Logan put Veronica's trust issues/their relationship on the line, to clear Mercer for a September 30th rape: Parker's. And really, the only evidence I have, that leads me to conclude Nancy's rape is fake, is because of the Tijuana alibi.

I think they could have made more of Mercer's Mexican alibi. Since none of the girls who were raped knew who the culprit was, faking a rape was really dangerous -- the one suspect with the most evidence against him was cleared because his alibi proved that he wasn't responsible for one of the rapes. Of course, that was a rape that never happened.

I agree with your overall point, Amy, but either I'm not reading correctly or you've got some devil in your details.

Mercer had two fake alibis. Veronica, Logan, Mercer, and Moe knew both. Lamb (and everyone else) only knew about the alibi for the September 30th rape: the actually-happened rape of Parker.

The Tijuana alibi was for the fake-August-rape of (by default we must assume--Nancy), because the first two rapes happened in February and March of 2006, Parker's happened September 30th, and Claire faked her rape a couple of episodes after Parker was actually raped. Dawn and Stacy were raped in February and March.

The I-was-on-the-air alibi was for the actual September 30th rape of Parker. Parker's rape is the one for which they had the most evidence. Mac's exposition indicates she knew there was a boy in the room with Parker, when Veronica first showed up to get her for their outing to the movies.

Veronica went into the room to get the tickets, and could tell there were two bodies in Parker's bed, and heard the clippers. Lamb had the GHB, recovered in the stolen cash box. Parker had a visceral reaction to her sense-memory of Mercer's cologne. Mercer knew her name, even though they'd "just met" and nobody said her name in their scene, together.

I would have liked (or would still like) the women responsible for the faking idea to understand how much harder they made it to actually catch Mercer (and, um, Moe).
Yes! This pinpoints what disappoints me about the construction of the fake Tijuana alibi. There should have been something with or even just about Nancy in the episode. And I don't want to hear "There wasn't time," when I had to watch yet another scene telling me how adorkable Piz is.

Now Claire has already been expelled, and gotten a verbal confrontation/comeuppance from Veronica in the last episode too, so I don't care that they didn't revisit that. But Nancy matters, because the Logan/Tijuana alibi is the one that spurred Veronica to buy into the fake-live-call-in-show alibi.

Nancy also matters, because she is the person who gave Veronica the information that eventually led Veronica to the evidence that proved Claire was faking. Giving that evidence made Nancy appear an unlikely rape (continued...)


Topic!Cindy - Nov 29, 2006 9:19:42 am PST #4530 of 5730
What is even happening?

( continues...) faker, which is fine in and of itself, but itches when it's a pretty bigass loose end, that wasn't sewn up for lack of time.


Amy - Nov 29, 2006 9:27:43 am PST #4531 of 5730
Because books.

I agree with your overall point, Amy, but either I'm not reading correctly or you've got some devil in your details.

This is why I need you to watch shows for me. And submit detailed reports! I can't keep track of half of this stuff.

So, yeah, girls should know fake rape = badness. Please to be keeping me straight on details from now on! (I swear I should start taking notes.)

Another prediction: Weevil will be arrested in the cold open.

I doubt it. They already did that at graduation, which was so. heart. breaking.


sumi - Nov 29, 2006 9:35:03 am PST #4532 of 5730
Art Crawl!!!

SPN = Stanford Prison Experiment.