It's all about choices, Faith. The ones we make, and the ones we don't. Oh, and the consequences. Those are always fun.

Angelus ,'Smile Time'


Veronica Mars: Annoy, Tiny Blonde One. Annoy Like the Wind.

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Nora Deirdre - Nov 24, 2006 6:18:13 am PST #4435 of 5730
I’m responsible for my own happiness? I can’t even be responsible for my own breakfast! (Bojack Horseman)

As opposed to the nuance and balanced presentations RT's known for, like Mexicans and Irish -- two groups I have an affinity for in real life who are, by and large, heavily stereotyped here.

This is also true.


smonster - Nov 24, 2006 9:20:36 am PST #4436 of 5730
We won’t stop until everyone is gay.

As opposed to the nuance and balanced presentations RT's known for, like Mexicans and Irish -- two groups I have an affinity for in real life who are, by and large, heavily stereotyped here.

You didn't specify the stereotypes, so I'm just guessing here, but this didn't ping me at all, I think for a couple of reasons. Firstly, I feel like with the PCHers we were given a fair amount of complexity in Weevil, Thumper, and Felix (and Weevil's grandma, and cousin, and the girl who dated that jerk) (however, I'd like to point out that Latinos dating white people was a plot point 4 times - just food for thought). Secondly, the stereotypes in my area (which, btw, has one of the fastest-growing Latino population in the country) for Mexicans do not include "biker gang." The Fitzpatricks are pretty two-dimensional, but it never occurred to me that all the Irish in Neptune were gangsters.

I just went on at length in my lj, but for me what it boils down to is that Nish et al feel like "straw feminists," explicitly created to be proven wrong. Which is actually close to this statement of Victor's.

These characters aren't here for their stories, they're here to hold Veronica and the other main characters up to the stereotype and see how they fit.

This is the first time that I feel an entire group has been created for such a purpose on VM. Maybe it's not, maybe I'm overly sensitive due to the way they're handling sexual assault and feminism, two issues which are close to my heart. Regardless of whether it's the first time or the fifth, I don't think it's a great way to run a show.

I don't know. Maybe if one of the "feminists" had had some doubt about what they were doing, and come to Veronica with her concerns, or something. Something to keep them from being a monolithic group.


bon bon - Nov 24, 2006 9:24:40 am PST #4437 of 5730
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

I finally watched the episode today and really enjoyed it; I don't think Nish, Claire and Fern are portrayed as any less complex than the Greeks, where apparently participating in a sorority allies you with a fraternity accused of sexual assault.

It only occurred to me today that RT, et al. may have been influenced by a series of events at my southern california alma mater two years ago, where a series of real racially-divisive occurrences inspired a professor to stage a hate crime by vandalizing her own car: [link] Apologies if this was pointed out elsewhere.


meara - Nov 25, 2006 6:21:50 am PST #4438 of 5730

We had something like that happen at my alma mater too--a kid sent himself hate mail, to point out some ohter stuff that had been going on on campus. But hate mail != rape. And one kid != conspiracy.


Topic!Cindy - Nov 25, 2006 6:30:00 am PST #4439 of 5730
What is even happening?

I've been thinking about the fakery and the assault on Chip. don't think Nish, Claire, Fern, (or combination thereof) raped Chip. I think the rapist raped Chip. I think Claire's rape may be the only faked one. I still think the rapist is Moe.

There's only one thing bothering me: Mercer's alibi. I'm pretty sure his show ran 'til 11, and Parker was raped around 11:45, right? Are we just taking this as a continuity error?


tiggy - Nov 25, 2006 6:35:49 am PST #4440 of 5730
I do believe in killing the messenger, you know why? Because it sends a message. ~ Damon Salvatore

i'm on the Moe train too. simply because of the new promo and the shoes we're shown.


meara - Nov 25, 2006 6:36:24 am PST #4441 of 5730

But if the rapist raped Chip, why the Roman-numeral date? Unless the rapist is what's her name (Petrelli?) who's gotten out of the mental hospital or whatever. Which would be...pulling something out of RT's ass, basically.

I really HOPE Claire's is the only faked rape, but still dont' really see the point, then--if there were actual rapes taking place, why fake one? And if there weren't...wtf??


tiggy - Nov 25, 2006 6:38:45 am PST #4442 of 5730
I do believe in killing the messenger, you know why? Because it sends a message. ~ Damon Salvatore

question. the lampoon guys. who are they, exactly? is it an alternative paper on campus to the free press?


Theodosia - Nov 25, 2006 7:05:05 am PST #4443 of 5730
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

The faked rape, plotwise, is a McGuffin to throw us off....


Topic!Cindy - Nov 25, 2006 7:06:08 am PST #4444 of 5730
What is even happening?

But if the rapist raped Chip, why the Roman-numeral date? Unless the rapist is what's her name (Petrelli?) who's gotten out of the mental hospital or whatever. Which would be...pulling something out of RT's ass, basically.

Maybe the rapist was trying to avert suspicion from himself?