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Veronica Mars: Annoy, Tiny Blonde One. Annoy Like the Wind.

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IAmNotReallyASpring - Nov 10, 2006 4:48:18 pm PST #4188 of 5730
I think Freddy Quimby should walk out of here a free hotel

IAmNotReallyASpring, first up, I have to say your board name delights me, whenever I see it. The phrase itself, the caps...it just makes me smile.

Thank you, Cindy. I'm delighted to have delighted.

As for your question, I think it's a good one. Veronica's not a hero, and it's not a hero-story, so I'm not sure how much of a comeuppance she'll get. She seems to get bitten on the ass in other ways, although sometimes she gets bitten because of the assumptions she makes.

See, there's an instance of me delineating my points from my meaning badly. It happens a lot. I don't really mind if Veronica makes amends or if she realizes that there are faults in her thinking as long as the writers communicate to the audience that Veronica should make amends and that there are faults in her thinking. Watching the bellhop reveal made me feel as if the writers were encouraging me to think 'Oh, naughty Veronica, do your wacky revenge hijinks know no limits? Girl's got moxie.' While, say, the revenge of the culprit on Veronica in 'Clash of the Tritons' is hardly treated in the same way. I'm uneasy about the writers' proclivity for shifting the moral complexion of their universe so we can feel two different things for what is essentially the same instance of behaviour. I mean, if tomorrow the series were to shift protagonists from Veronica to the bellhop while retaining its current sensibilites, sometime in the next episode the bellhop would carry out an ingenious sting that would out and shame Veronica. There shouldn't be an incongruity between how we're asked to view the regular characters and the one-off peripheral ones.

Aside from the last vengeance-quest (filling the bellhop's trunk with the hotel supplies), and one of the earliest (where she commissioned the bong and planted it in Logan's locker), when else has she been vengeful? I'm not denying she has been. Those are the only two incidents that I can think of, right now.

She banjaxed Dick's car and crushed his surfboard out of spite, if I'm recalling events properly. However, I think that's spillover from the subtler ways she has of articulating her vengfulness. That's why I loved Logan's line about her having a thing for bad boys not because she wants to make them better but because she likes having someone close at hand to judge; that seems to me to be a lot of the reason she private eyes. She says as much in 'Welcome Wagon' while she watches excitedly as the police bring the thief around to the garage. The woman in that scene isn't a person basking in the knowledge that soon property will be restored to its rightful owners; that's a person basking in someone else's suffering. She's smart and she's also an inhabitant of Earth in the year 2006 so she knows the best way to vent one's righteous anger is at someone guilty of a crime. Everybody is guilty of that, to some extent, I think, but, then again, most people haven't built their lives and sense of self worth around it.

Also, 'Drinking the Kool-Aid' has my favourite sequence of the series as Veronica works backwards from the photo to Clarence Weidman. That was a stunning piece of writing.


Vonnie K - Nov 10, 2006 4:50:35 pm PST #4189 of 5730
Kiss me, my girl, before I'm sick.

Well, at least M.A.D. ended with Veronica learning about GHB and Logan alone in the boat with "Crimson and Clover", which is one of my favourite VM episode endings.

I really can't wait for Veronica and Logan to break up. They are SO MUCH more interesting apart than together.


Polter-Cow - Nov 10, 2006 4:56:15 pm PST #4190 of 5730
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Also, 'Drinking the Kool-Aid' has my favourite sequence of the series as Veronica works backwards from the photo to Clarence Weidman. That was a stunning piece of writing.

Ooh, I just watched it. That is very nice. Also, it very clearly shows Clarence Wiedman's name.


IAmNotReallyASpring - Nov 10, 2006 4:59:07 pm PST #4191 of 5730
I think Freddy Quimby should walk out of here a free hotel

I'm just glad I didn't spell it 'Hulking Security Guy'.


sumi - Nov 10, 2006 5:11:26 pm PST #4192 of 5730
Art Crawl!!!

You could have followed Heroes' lead and spelled it "Mysterious Black Guy."


Polter-Cow - Nov 10, 2006 5:20:50 pm PST #4193 of 5730
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Heh.

It's a fandom pet peeve of mine, like people who can't spell "Lilly."


Beverly - Nov 11, 2006 5:52:53 am PST #4194 of 5730
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

Well, it's confusing, since there are at least four "official" spellings of the name. My mom spells hers Lillie, I think Squeakaboo is Lily, then there's Darling Lili, and VM's Lilly. It'd be easier to remember if there were only one spelling.


Topic!Cindy - Nov 11, 2006 11:25:50 am PST #4195 of 5730
What is even happening?

Apropos of nothing, the Veronica-character posts for the official MySpace make me want to claw my face off.


tiggy - Nov 11, 2006 11:26:06 am PST #4196 of 5730
I do believe in killing the messenger, you know why? Because it sends a message. ~ Damon Salvatore

well, it was in the credits for two seasons. i think that's where a lot of the peeve comes from.


Steph L. - Nov 12, 2006 11:40:44 am PST #4197 of 5730
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Aside from the last vengeance-quest (filling the bellhop's trunk with the hotel supplies), and one of the earliest (where she commissioned the bong and planted it in Logan's locker), when else has she been vengeful? I'm not denying she has been. Those are the only two incidents that I can think of, right now.

The episode that had the most appalling instance, IMO, of Veronica's single-minded drive for vengeance even when she's barking up the wrong tree is "My Mother the Fiend."

Yeah, Celeste Kane is a huge bitch. But Veronica's behavior in trying to out Celeste as Prom!Baby's mother (when she wasn't) was so unforgivably vengeful that D'Hoffryn would have hired her, if the 2 fictional universes overlapped.