Me, three.

It's been brought up repeatedly in every episode. He's skipping class.

It's a state school. Some classes just aren't big on attendance. DH, for the record, skipped class whenever it was raining. Seriously. He did't like to go out in the rain. He still pulled down stellar grades because he's smart. He knew which classes he could skip and still get good grades. Logan's not stupid and I think he's savvy to just excatly what he can get away with.

I sort of thought Veronica was being a wet blanket in the opener because of pushing all the "cultural" stuff. I mean, Neptune probably has an art museum (or two) and I didn't see her rushing to poetry readings when she was in high school. It's just a thing. I'm not saying she should want to get plastered at every kegger on campus, but partying and enjoying yourself is also a part of college life.

I thought Logan was being more normal and Veronica was pushing to be what she thought should be more normal.

Maybe I'm projecting too much of my own college experience here, though. My first college roommate was a Latin major. Who majors in a dead language?

Maybe I'm projecting too much of my own college experience here, though. My first college roommate was a Latin major. Who majors in a dead language?

Wasn't Kiba a Latin major?

I skipped a lot, but only during bouts of depression or infatuation. Thus, the five year plan.

It's a state school.

Hearst is a private college. Else it would be named "UC Neptune" or "Cal State Neptune," ala UC Sunnydale.

Judging by how the reactions are falling, it seems the males are tending to sympathize with Veronica and the females with Logan. That's actually really interesting.

One suspects a good many people (probably me included) are seeing their worst attributes with regards to relationships magnified a bit here, and they're reacting to them.

It's a state school.

No, it's not. It's a private school.

I thought Logan was being more normal and Veronica was pushing to be what she thought should be more normal.

Well, Veronica's years distanced from normal, so she probably doesn't remember what it looks like.

I agree with Cindy both that this was the best episode of the season and that we're lacking the emotional resonance.

Judging by how the reactions are falling, it seems the males are tending to sympathize with Veronica and the females with Logan. That's actually really interesting.

Well, I'm mostly bewildered by Logan's actions, although I have to admit that his "little lies" remind me of the way I am with my parents. It's not that what he's actually doing is that awful, but it's just easier not to mention it at all because of the reaction he knows he'll get. And, since he's not being entirely honest with Veronica, I can understand why she would feel a little paranoid.

Judging by how the reactions are falling, it seems the males are tending to sympathize with Veronica and the females with Logan. That's actually really interesting.

I was thinking this, too, victor.

I wasn't around for any of the Spuffy discussion in S6 or thereafter, but did the same thing occur? Did the women sympathize with him, and the men not?

I wasn't around for any of the Spuffy discussion in S6 or thereafter, but did the same thing occur? Did the women sympathize with him, and the men not?

Hmm. I'm not sure. Where I tended to see a lot of Spike sympathy wasn't here, but in the rest of my fannish haunts, and those are mostly female. I did, however, note an alarmingly large number of men I knew in the Goth scene identifying with Spike.

Hearst is a private college

Don't know why I didn't know that. Smallish, liberal arts school?

I sympathize with Logan to some extent but only insomuch that his behavior was understandable and completely in character. Veronica's assumptions about Logan and her insecurity seemed to throw me off a little. I know she's got relationship issues and everything but considering everything she's been through with Logan, I'd expect her to be a little more aware of the reasons behind his actions. And I agree with Steph in WTFing her accepting Dick as a credible source.

Wasn't Kiba a Latin major?

I think so. I wish she was my first roommate. Mine didn't even have the hidden depths of Parker, sadly.

Well, Veronica's years distanced from normal, so she probably doesn't remember what it looks like.

True. I can understand her trying to expand her horizons at college, too. But I'm just considering that Logan is the son of a famous actor--his horizons had most likely been expanded at a young age with travel and experience (some good, some bad). He saw through the phoney actor stuff and hated it. I assume he's jaded enough to make the same assumptions about the artsy/literary types, is all.

That said, I'm totally with Victor on the "getting lucky" line. Had I gotten that voicemail, I'd have activated the tracking chip, too. And wouldn't be ashamed of it.

Where I tended to see a lot of Spike sympathy wasn't here, but in the rest of my fannish haunts, and those are mostly female.

I'm just wondering if some men hate/d the whole idea of women falling for bad boys, and that's where the criticism comes from.

I have a feeling that some of my reaction to Veronica in this episode has to do with how strongly, based on past experience, I can identify with the suspicion thing, and hating it in myself -- and therefore being more harsh with her.

And I agree with Steph in WTFing her accepting Dick as a credible source.

Although like P-C and others have pointed out, she tends to accept as the first suspect in a mystery as the culprit until proven otherwise, so maybe that's in character, too.

Well, I just think that she was behaving worse. . . or her reaction was more extreme. . . not that Logan was being stellar by any means. Maybe Logan was trying to pick a fight and Veronica was trying to avoid the same fight?