Who is Fern?

The Safe Ride Home driver who also kneed Dick in the balls last week. I'm getting this really awful feeling that, whether there is a separate rapist or not, the Take Back the Night ladies are faking some of what's going on in order to inflame tension and help their crusade against the Greek system.

Is the RA the one with the biscotti?

Yes. Moe.

I don't think the VM experiment was ever supposed to duplicate the Stanford experiment, so much as recall/suggest it, so I just don't have a problem with it. The kids weren't arrested off the street. They weren't deloused and chained. The scenario was different (they were more like P.O.W.'s), and it was only scheduled for two days in the first place.

Some of the features of the experiment weren't included, but there's pretty much just the one experiment where college students are randomly selected to be guards and prisoners in a mock jail. If you don't also suggest that normal students became depraved or pathologically disturbed by virtue of the exercise, it's like giving a charcter cancer and they never get sick.

Yeah, I agree with bon bon (and bob bob by proxy). The experiment was too easy for something that is supposed to be among the most profound examinations into the banality of evil. The show has trivialized torture, even though I think they meant to do the opposite. Hopefully, they will tie it to the larger themes, but it didn't happen this week.

I'm getting this really awful feeling that, whether there is a separate rapist or not, the Take Back the Night ladies are faking some of what's going on in order to inflame tension and help their crusade against the Greek system.

I'm afraid you're right, and this might be the thing that makes me kick a hole in my tv. They didn't hire Sean Hannity on as a creative consultant this season, did they?

I suspect Fern.

I was wondering the same thing today. For much the same reasons as you give.

I'm afraid you're right, and this might be the thing that makes me kick a hole in my tv. They didn't hire Sean Hannity on as a creative consultant this season, did they?

I think it would be deliciously twisted and perfect for the morally grey universe of noir. Bad things being done with good intentions.

I was wondering the same thing today. For much the same reasons as you give.

She's just so violently "Greeks are evil!" that I wouldn't put it past her to slander the frats any way she could.

The prison experiment didn't bother me, in that I don't expect them to explore it fully in a one-hour show in which that story is only one of three storylines.

And I loved that Logan was the one who didn't break -- maybe that says something about when and how his buttons are pushed, i.e. if it's not his dad, if it's not truly personal, he's not going to break. (I also think the attitude he exudes makes him a poor candidate for someone like the abusive guard to screw with -- he definitely doesn't look like the type who's going to fall for it, although that air of complete boredom is kind of touching, in its way. That's probably the expression he used whenever his dad started in on him, at first.)

That said, it struck me as completely unbelievable that Horshack not only had *no* ill feelings toward abusive guard guy, but was going to take notes for him.

I'm getting this really awful feeling that, whether there is a separate rapist or not, the Take Back the Night ladies are faking some of what's going on in order to inflame tension and help their crusade against the Greek system.

I'm afraid you're right, and this might be the thing that makes me kick a hole in my tv. They didn't hire Sean Hannity on as a creative consultant this season, did they?

I would think that was somewhat in line with VM's sensibilities, but not in a Hannity way. In Neptune, nobody is innocent. Everyone is corrupt. No cow is sacred (hi, P-C).

• The Good Boyfriend took our protagonist when he thought she was his sister

• The girl with the worst reputation in town had never willingly had sex

• The dead girl had been cheating on her boyfriend with his own father--who turned out to be her murderer

• The people's candidate (at the high school) was actually a self-interested narc

• The boy who was introduced to us as an emotionally neglected woobie, and revealed to be a molestation victim turned out to be a cold hearted killer

• The good father/mistreated and one of the people in town you should most trust violated his lover's privacy in a big way

• The class virgin was knocked up

• Murderers get acquited

• The cops are all bumbling and on the take

• The good and honorable guy hired a hitman to kill his sister's killer

• The religious people are nuts

• The baseball hero is a gambling addict

• Doctors are faking diagnoses to get their rich patients out of finals

Nobody in Neptune, including Veronica, is particularly good.

I think it would be deliciously twisted and perfect for the morally grey universe of noir. Bad things being done with good intentions.

Or, what he said, only longer.

I'm getting this really awful feeling that, whether there is a separate rapist or not, the Take Back the Night ladies are faking some of what's going on in order to inflame tension and help their crusade against the Greek system.

What Cindy said.

Except ... the girls are raped. I don't see the Take Back the Night girls participating in that, and other than colluding in some way to shave the girls's heads, I don't see what they could be faking.

Unless the girls turn out *not* to have been raped at all, but only had their heads shaved to make it appear they'd been raped. That I could see. Fucked up as it would be.

Do we have proof that the girls from last season were, in fact, raped? Rape kits, medical exams, etc.? Anything I'm not remembering?

I don't see the Take Back the Night girls participating in that, and other than colluding in some way to shave the girls's heads, I don't see what they could be faking.

Well, I think it's very possible that some of these more public victims (like the rally girl) may not have actually been raped.

Unless the girls turn out *not* to have been raped at all, but only had their heads shaved to make it appear they'd been raped. That I could see. Fucked up as it would be.

Right.

I'm not sure whether they're involved in anything that's actually happened to people like Dawn, Stacy, and Parker, who all seem like fairly decent people unconnected to Take Back the Night. Like I said, I don't know whether TBTN is directly involved with the actual rapes or they're just using them to their advantage.