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I can't believe no one's mentioned Homer Simpson!
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I kept thinking he looked familiar. I kept going to Jonathan Katz, who I always thought looked a little like DC, but I knew it wasn't him. It's been a while since I've seen Castallaneta in anything, though (probably the Simpsons' ep of Inside the Actor's Studio)
no, it was the painting that the cop found with blood on it.
Sonofagun, you're right -- I just rewatched. So how did Keith get the paperwork for it?
Wow, torture! rape! murder! AWESOME.
I don't know if it's just that the pictures that got smaller (i.e., changes to what makes me happy viewing TV) or what.
I physically cringed every time the torture plot came on screen. I finished the episode just hating how I spent the previous hour. I've been mulling over what's changed- what I want/need from my tv shows, if I've become that reviled teevee consumer that wants everything handed to them and a happy ending (I don't *think* so, but hey, maybe), or if this show has gone over the noir line to nihlism and is so fucking depressing that I can't trust it with any of my emotional investment.
Anyway, yeah. We'll see.
ION, Ed Begley Jr!!!!!! Yet another 80s star back to shine on VM. He's sure to be a dastardly villian.
I physically cringed every time the torture plot came on screen.
I was just bemused because we'd been discussing the Stanford Experiment in another thread recently.
So how did Keith get the paperwork for it?
That was my BIG WTF for this ep.
When the prof. started explaining the experiment, I expected the guard-prisoner storyline was going to bother me a lot more than it did. I was afraid Wallace was going to turn, or that we'd see Logan as a jailer and that he'd be channelling his inner-Aaron. Honestly, I thought it was fairly unbelievable that one kid instantly went corrupt, and none of the other (guard) kids either also went that way, or gave him a stomping.
I've been mulling over what's changed- what I want/need from my tv shows, if I've become that reviled teevee consumer that wants everything handed to them and a happy ending (I don't *think* so, but hey, maybe), or if this show has gone over the noir line to nihlism and is so fucking depressing that I can't trust it with any of my emotional investment.Couldn't your preference be changing in a way that isn't an indictment of your taste, ya goober?
I don't think the show has gone over any line it didn't leave in the rearview mirror in the season 1 pilot, because the first season was all about isolation, exhile, loss of trust, murder, possible-incest, and we knew from the get-go that our protagonist had been raped, and the law couldn't care less.
Of course I don't see nihilism in VM. I do see pessimism, but it's somewhat like the pessimism of Angel, to me: If nothing that we do matters, all that matters is what we do.
Veronica knows she's damned if she does, and damned if she doesn't, but she Does, and that, to me, makes all the difference.
I do think though, that these first two episodes have been lackluster. I've enjoyed them in the irrational-fangirl way, because I was jonesing for the show all summer, but when I try to imagine seeing it through the eyes of a new viewer, I decide it hasn't done anything to pull me in. If the season continues like this, I suspect I am going to have to prepare myself for cancelation, because I just don't think this it is getting the job done, so far.
So how did Keith get the paperwork for it?
That was my BIG WTF for this ep.
He probably already had it from when Kendall bought it (or maybe she didn't buy it, and Big Dick already had it in his collection). He might have been holding it for Kendall for all we know.
I'm disappointed, because the Keith plotline needed so much explanation here to make sense to me.
I suspect Keith either got the paperwork in the house or was given the paperwork to hold for safekeeping until the brothers thing could be resolved.
I very much liked/loved the first season, and I watched that less than a year ago. That was Good Stuff.
So, I'm not sure where my reactions are coming from and why... more fodder for commuter musings later, I'm sure!
I do hate to be all negative about TV stuff, which I feel I am a lot. I think that Buffy and Angel (in their primes- my carping on Buffy s7 and St. Cordy began my TV ranting and raving) as well as VM s1 really spoiled me for excellent, quality television that went to dark places, but made me laugh, often simultaneously. I feel like the difference between those shows/seasons and what just bummed me out is that previously, the shows would make me think, as well as feel, and be emotionally resonant. Last night's episode didn't have the humor or the emotional resonance that I think I need. It felt like it was hitting seasonal plot marks; which of course is important, but it left me very cold for whatever reason.
I was just bemused because we'd been discussing the Stanford Experiment in another thread recently.
Exactly!
So how did Keith get the paperwork for it?
That was my BIG WTF for this ep.
The painting and the whole Liam/Cormac/Kendall is still a huge question mark for me. Granted, I walked away for a minute when Cormac and Liam were in the desert, but I still don't get how Kendall got the painting, what she wanted done with it, when exactly Keith took it to the museum...
I'm sure I *should* be able to follow the threads, but the thing is I don't care. I care about Keith, but the rest of them? Not at all.
There were a lot of great moments last night, but I'm beginning to feel like RT played his best hand in S1. Nothing is ever going to seem as compelling and tragic as a young girl's murder, and how that rips apart the Mars family. I at least want more Keith and Veronica, and I want more Logan and Veronica. The other stuff? Is kind of not doing it for me. Yet.