Am I the only person who was certain, beyond any doubt, that Keith was alive?... If Keith were going to die, they wouldn't have shown it from miles away; he'd have gotten a proper send off.

I agree with Jon. Beyond the perhaps necessary but still hard to believe coincidence that the plane would be right there in view when it blew up, beyond respect for the character and actor, Keith's death carries too much dramatic impact to take place like that. Had he actually been killed on the plane I think we would have had a shot of him on the plane, in the air - something that left no doubt, a Jenny Calendar-holy-shit-they-really-did-it-and-there's-no-going-back moment.

I thought the text messaging said it was June 2 or 3, 2006, but I'm not sure.

Thanks, Narrator. I just checked the TiVo. I know the date on Veronica's Blackberry (or whatever) when she's waiting in the airport said June 6, so that sounds right.

Yeah, I don't get that. They just *really* cared about Lucky? C'mon...

Their interest in Lucky has always seemed strange to me. (They brought him into their home, talked him up to their daughter, bailed him out of jail, etc.) I assumed there was something behind it we’d find out about, although now I’m afraid this will be another Crypto-message Pen unresolved clue. Or it will be explained in the Season Finale of Season 5.

wouldn't have believed Cassidy otherwise (I mean, he didn't really kill Mac, did he?)

Didn’t he say something like “She’s in a better place.”? To which my reaction is always “Schenectady!” (from Daily Miller: "My father ain't in Europe--he's in a better place than Europe." Winterbourne for a moment supposed this the manner in which the child had been taught to intimate that Mr. Miller had been removed to the sphere of celestial rewards. But Randolph immediately added: "My father's in Schenectady.)

I totally thought that Keith was dead. What really sold me was Veronica waking up the next morning and having that second where it’s just morning and then remembering what happened actually happened and knowing that nothing will ever be fine again, that this will be the thing you wake up knowing for the for the rest of your life. The fact that he didn’t come in and wake her up really bothered me, but that was way after the fact, since I’m a big ol suspension-of-disbelief slut.

The pieta scene bothered me, as did the Season 1 one. Veronica and Logan don’t work for me perpendicularly.

Crypto-message Pen unresolved clue.

The shorthand is "spy pen."

This year's spy pen is Sally.

The pieta scene bothered me, as did the Season 1 one. Veronica and Logan don’t work for me perpendicularly.

It was kind of funny. It was funny to me, because I thought Logan was positioned really uncomfortably on Veronica, in the season 1 finale. I attributed that at the time to his injuries, and the fact that JD is so much bigger than KB. This time? Veronica was positioned just an uncomfortably, which I dug for both the symmetry, and the stupidity, all rolled up into one.

i've been away for a few hours. so this is a catch-up post.

But it still doesn't explain why Meg's parents put up a reward to get Woody back.

my guess is they put up the reward because they believed Woody had crashed the bus and they wanted justice for their daughter's killer.

Also, Mac broke my heart. Did he just take all her clothes/the sheets/the towels while she was in the shower? Or did he also rape her?

I don't think he raped her. i think they did have intercourse, but he couldn't keep it up and when she got out of the shower and found all of her clothes, cell phone and the bedding gone she assumed he had set her up.

tiggy, if you're still up, John Krazinski (sp? Jim/The Office) is going to be on Leno, any moment.

I wasn't up, but someone had it available for me to *ahem*. i will be watching when i get home.

Was I the only one who thought Logan was going to pull a Giles/Gunn, and follow up his "you're not a killer" with a "but I am" and shoot Cassidy?

no, i was totally afraid of that. i think his year of dealing with johnny law prevented him from doing it though.

Dude, how long did *Cassidy* have chlamydia???

well...you have to remember that the rape happened when Veronica was 16 or so. that would've made Beaver about 14. knowing what we know about chlamydia it's possible that he had no idea he was infected. i also buy V not going to the doctor after being so humiliated when she went to the authorities to report the rape.

Also, correct me if I'm misremembering, but "the clap" is gonorrhea, not chlamydia, right? Keith called it the clap.

there's been much discussion about this in my comm. the dialogue lead most to people to the conclusion that Keith was saying Woody had the clap and chlamydia.

now i must get back to work. i really just want to play online and discuss VM all day. *sigh*

Folks, am I the only one thinking this...but did Duncan hire Kendall to make sure his father was in the hotel room?

I'm also wondering if Duncan was working with Kendall to make sure Echolls wasn't imprisoned because Duncan wanted him dead. That might explain the alone time Duncan and Kendall had EARLY in the season...

I'm also wondering if Duncan was working with Kendall to make sure Echolls wasn't imprisoned because Duncan wanted him dead. That might explain the alone time Duncan and Kendall had EARLY in the season...

I dunno. All she really did for Aaron was obtain the hair samples. If she'd been unwilling, I'm sure Aaron would have found another way to incriminate Duncan. Also, she didn't do that until Aaron proposed the scheme to her.

If Duncan had been working with Kendall, I would imagine that she would have proposed the deal to Aaron and she wouldn't have had to go skulking around any old showers.

If Duncan had been working with Kendall, I would imagine that she would have proposed the deal to Aaron and she wouldn't have had to go skulking around any old showers.

Except Duncan had gone on the lam (as opposed to on the Lamb, like Madison) by that point, hadn't he? Cindy made a supposition upthread that Kendall was working with Clarence Weidman, which would just stem from working with Duncan. *shrugs* I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out that way, though I would find it strange that Kendall would be such a willing accomplice to murder, at least from what we know of her now (who knows what other ulterior motive she might have vis-a-vis Aaron).

Also, does anyone think Duncan and (particularly) CW would deal with someone who would turn around and try to blackmail them in a Neptune minute?