You have the emotional maturity of a blueberry scone.

Giles ,'Touched'


Veronica Mars: Annoy, Tiny Blonde One. Annoy Like the Wind.

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DXMachina - May 10, 2006 4:57:22 am PDT #3071 of 5730
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

Didn’t need the fake airborne explosion

The whole plane thing bugged. I can't believe that any police force in the country would transport a fugitive back to the jurisdiction that wants him in his own plane. It's be like taking him back in his own car. They'd take him back either in a police car, or via some sort of commercial transportation. The plane should've been impounded.

There was no urgent need to return him to Neptune that quickly. In fact, since they were in Nevada, shouldn't there have been an extradition hearing of some sort?

The explosion was just icing on the cake. What are the odds the plane would be within viewing range of the hotel at that exact moment?


Jon B. - May 10, 2006 4:59:47 am PDT #3072 of 5730
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

Am I the only person who was certain, beyond any doubt, that Keith was alive? Maybe I've watched too much 24, but unless they show you the dismembered head, I assume that the character survived. If Keith were going to die, they wouldn't have shown it from miles away; he'd have gotten a proper send off.

That said, I was still affected by KB's performance. She really knocked it out of the park.


Amy - May 10, 2006 5:00:46 am PDT #3073 of 5730
Because books.

He was the victim of Woody, and he had been the victim of his screwed up family, his entire life. He was a monster, because life turned him into one. I think it was appropriate that he took control of his own fate. I also found it powerful that Logan still couldn't offer any reason not to jump.

Oh, I get this, but I think for the bus crash victims' families, it's a cold comfort. I'm sure they would much rather see him in prison, paying for his crimes for the rest of his life.

Logan not being able to offer a reason for Beaver not to jump was so painful, but so very right in context.

Liked the dreams – very revealing. Enjoyed that in the dream Veronica met Wallace.

The dream was fantastic. It starts where Veronica might have imagined she would be on graduation day, before Lilly was killed -- parents are together, they're in the old house, she's going to San Diego State. But the minute she gets to school it changes -- Duncan and Logan have changed places. And then there's Wallace, who's bitter and makes her uncomfortable with her pat sum-up of high school. And yay! there's Lilly, except with a memorial plaque on the wall behind her... Even in her dreams she can only escape so far, and I love the fact that Logan was her boyfriend. Telling, much?


DXMachina - May 10, 2006 5:02:45 am PDT #3074 of 5730
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

Am I the only person who was certain, beyond any doubt, that Keith was alive?

Nah. I figured he'd gotten off for some reason. Although I was thinking it was more that he got a look at the joke of a pilot who would volunteer to fly a unfamiliar plane from Reno to Neptune on a moments notice, and decided he didn't want any part of the flight.


Topic!Cindy - May 10, 2006 5:07:02 am PDT #3075 of 5730
What is even happening?

And it really points out the have/have-not dichotomy of Neptune. Duncan got away with it (as far as we know; maybe it'll come back to bite him in the ass next season) and is loafing on a beach with his daughter.
Duncan got away with it, but Duncan had a (noirish) right to it. Lilly was Duncan's sister. Even his own family thought he killed Lilly--they were so convinced of Duncan's guilt that they obstructed the investigation into the real killer.

Duncan had that question of guilt hanging over him for a good chunk of season 1. Then Aaron framed him for her murder, just this season. In fact, Aaron was only acquitted because he not only planted evidence, but lied, and set up all kinds of people, and tried to convince his own son to lie.

Within the Neptune moral framework, because he waited until the legal system failed, what Duncan did was not as bad as it would be in either the real world, or in the Buffyverse, which has heroes, and an inherent vengeance taboo. It may still bite Duncan in the ass, but noir is a pessimistic genre, and putting Aaron out of everyone's misery does not sink to the same level it would in other genres, or in reality.

Speaking of sinking? One of my favorite exchanges aside from the CW?/It's a done deal exchange was Aaron and Logan's exchange at the elevator:

Aaron: Going down?
Logan: No. Up.

Four little words. Forty GAJILLINiTYBITRILLION^∞ layers. Or at least four.


Topic!Cindy - May 10, 2006 5:10:01 am PDT #3076 of 5730
What is even happening?

I have an idealized vision of the future where Weevil, having escaped the murder rap, becomes a priest who devotes himself to social justice and plots with Father Fitzpatrick to save underpriviledged children.
::marries this::
I never said that my idealized vision was rational.
Rationality is overrated.


Amy - May 10, 2006 5:13:17 am PDT #3077 of 5730
Because books.

It may still bite Duncan in the ass, but noir is a pessimistic genre, and putting Aaron out of everyone's misery does not sink to the same level it would in other genres, or in reality.

Totally what she said. I'ma let Cindy write all my posts, I think.

Four little words. Forty GAJILLINiTYBITRILLION^∞ layers. Or at least four.

Yes, this! Loved this.

Am I the only person who was certain, beyond any doubt, that Keith was alive?

I thought it was pathetically coincidental that the plane blew up with view just as Beaver pushed the button, but KB sold her grief and terror so well, my mind started jumping to what they could do in S3 with an orphaned Veronica out for vengeance/justice. But as they episode went on, and they kept ignoring the fallout of the plane's explosion, I knew Keith had survived it.


Topic!Cindy - May 10, 2006 5:16:40 am PDT #3078 of 5730
What is even happening?

I thought it was pathetically coincidental that the plane blew up with view just as Beaver pushed the button, but KB sold her grief and terror so well, my mind started jumping to what they could do in S3 with an orphaned Veronica out for vengeance/justice.
Me, too. She could have sold me the Brooklyn Bridge at that moment.
But as they episode went on, and they kept ignoring the fallout of the plane's explosion, I knew Keith had survived it.
It was just the opposite for me. The longer it went on, and she didn't get a phone call, and that she pieta-ed the night away in Logan's arms and woke up, and thought it was Keith cooking, when it was only Logan? I became more and more sure. I blame Kristen Bell, entirely. I think to my mind, it had to be real, because her Veronica was so very real. I know real people who are less real.


Steph L. - May 10, 2006 5:19:52 am PDT #3079 of 5730
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Am I the only person who was certain, beyond any doubt, that Keith was alive?

Emotionally, I was freaked the hell out. Rationally, I figured he couldn't be dead. Rob Thomas is no Minear.

but Duncan had a (noirish) right to it.

So did Weevil. Remember the confrontation with Felix's GF, when Weevil yelled "*I* loved him!" With the exception of Keith and Veronica, what we've seen all season is how fucked-up blood family can be, and that chosen family can be just as -- if not more -- important.

I'd argue that Weevil had just as much of a noirish right to kill Thumper as Duncan did to kill Aaron.


Amy - May 10, 2006 5:22:39 am PDT #3080 of 5730
Because books.

I was unreasonably sure that when Aaron flipped on the TV, it would be a newscast with pictures of the burning plane.

I blame Kristen Bell, entirely. I think to my mind, it had to be real, because her Veronica was so very real. I know real people who are less real.

I bought her grief and terror all through, because she was remarkably good last night, but also because it *was* real to her, until she found out differently. I think my head gets in the way, too, where I say to myself, Huh, I didn't hear anything about Enrico Colantoni leaving the show.

The image of Veronica limp across Logan's lap broke me. A complete twist on last year, when he was in her lap, beaten and broken. And she was totally vulnerable, face up, arms limp... Sigh. My little 'shipper heart is so happy today.