By we, do you mean anyone other than Jim, who's apologised?

I never remember who said what unless I go back and check. I missed the apology though, so thanks.

Sorry I missed the apology, Jim.

Eek. I apparently caused people to go off-topic. The irony is not lost on me.

I just meant that as a Logan and V/L fan, we have to deal with a lot of generalizations about who we are and how we supposedly feel about things. It's just been tough to deal with over the last few months and I'm trying to get myself out of that defensive mode.

I also have a sudden craving for muffalettas. Hmm...

I like Weevil. But he's strangely woobie-ish for a guy who rules by terror and was threatening the even more woobieful best friend of Veronica with unspecified horror.

Yeah, Weevil-as-master-crim is perhaps the most absurd aspect of the show after about the second episode.

I never thought Weevil was supposed to be some master criminal. He's a local gang leader and a thug. He's loyal to people he cares for and has his own code of honor of sorts, but casually violent to people he dislikes. He's somewhere in the spectrum between the rather adorable Elias Koteas character in Some Kind of Wonderful (ironically named, of all things, Duncan) and that homicidal "friend" (actually, more like an attack-dog) of Kenzie and Gennaro in the Dennis Lehane books, whose name I'm memfaulting on.

ETA: I do like the character, especially when they gave him more to do as in the poker episode and in "Hot Dogs" (and when they remember to make him more menacing than cuddly). My understanding is that the actor has signed on for only a limited number of episodes in season 2, so I'm beginning to wonder if they're planning on fading him out. Which would be a pity.

I have this feeling that Weevil may have been meant to have a bigger part (especially if Logan wasn't supposed to be in all season as RT has said) or, perhaps, they had what they thought was an interesting character and/or actor, but then didn't really know what to do with him except be there to help out Veronica at regular intervals.

I was worried the same was going to happen with Wallace for a while, but they managed to work him in better as the season went on.

I think Weevil's storyline did suffer toward the end. He is an asset to Veronica but once the writers decided he wasn't a factor in the murder, I don't think they really knew what to do with the character in that final arc. The CotWs toward the end, other than M.A.D. with Carmen, didn't really involve him.

Wallace, on the other hand, can fit pretty easily into any scenario involving Veronica without feeling forced. Now that Lilly's murder is wrapped up, the writers really have to decide what direction they're going to take with Weevil.

Vonnie, that friend's name is Bubba.

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Oh, yeah. Bubba [somelong Eastern European name ending with -ski]. I was always uneasy about K&G casually exploiting this guy, who sounded like he belonged in an asylum for the criminally insane. I always hoped this would come and bite them in the ass, although... OK, it's not like they lacked personal trauma.

I never got to the last book --"Gone, Baby, Gone"--which I understand was Bubba-heavy. I hear that one is pretty harrowing. Perhaps I should pick it up again.

I still think the books would make kick-ass movie adaptations, damnit.

I liked Veronica's black string chocker though. As a matter of fact, I'd covet her entire wardrobe if I were 20 years younger.

there was an interview with KB somewhere and they asked her about the necklaces. it turns out that both of them were her idea. the leather choker is made by someone she knows in Cali that makes those kind of things. i really want one. i have issues with chokers being too large for me because i have a skinny neck, but i figure if it fit her, it can fit me.

it's silly how excited i was to see 40 plus posts in this thread.