I want to burn an effigy of J.J. Abrams in Rob Thomas's honor.

I've got a match and some over-priced gasoline.

I want to burn an effigy of J.J. Abrams in Rob Thomas's honor.

I've got a match and some over-priced gasoline.

I will totally get in on this action. JJ could definitely learn a few things from Rob.

I don't really care much either way about Logan, other that some of the Logan(and LoVe-urgh I feel dirty typing that) fans are pushing me towards hate.

really? i'm not really seeing any of that. yes, people are obsessive about Logan/LoVe but i don't see any of them being obnoxious. is this a TWoP thing? because i don't go there and i know that's where most VM fans hang out.

I guess it's part me being contrary, part the fans being over-the-top in my view.(TWoP is the place where I've seen the most annoying behavior) Keep telling me that so-and-so is the best character evah! or that the Logan/Veronica relationship is the most important part of the show, and I'll roll my eyes and decide the opposite.

I think I mentioned this to Vonnie when she was up here.

Heh. Yeah, I remember that conversation. You were half way through the season and already had some gender issues.

I didn't mind the damsel thing in the finale, but I can see how that could push buttons. And the big reveal about Lilly herself felt in-character to me, although I know some people were unhappy about that as well.

really? i'm not really seeing any of that.

I occasionally lurk at TwoP (although not at the episode threads or character threads any more because my GOD they are loooong) and there are several people like that. But it's mostly in certain corners of the LJ. It's possible that I'm not being fair to them because... well, I have residual Spike War traumas, but I've been seeing some LJers whose "Buffy is a cast-iron bitch and Spike is a weedle woobiekin victim" rants used to drive me nuts making the almost exact same arguments against Veronica. It makes me uneasy, because I love Logan and I don't want to not love him any more because of the fans.

Ah, well. Old fandom baggage, yada yada.

I didn't mind the damsel thing in the finale, but I can see how that could push buttons. And the big reveal about Lilly herself felt in-character to me, although I know some people were unhappy about that as well.

Yeah, I didn't have any real problem with the Lilly reveal, though I think it wasn't as smoothly integrated as many of the other reveals.

In some ways, I have the same reaction to S1 VMars as I do to S5 AtS. In both cases, there was a splendidly done B-arc (Veronica's rape and the Connor situation) with a near-perfect and emotionally complex conclusion, and an A-arc (Lilly's murder, Wolfram & Hart) that felt patched together at the end.

Veronica's rape was an arc? It was in the pilot, and not mentioned again until the one or two episodes. I thought the writers had dropped it.

Veronica's rape was an arc? It was in the pilot, and not mentioned again until the one or two episodes. I thought the writers had dropped it.

Keeping in mind that I watched the whole thing in two chunks, I never got the impression it had been dropped. It was always there in the back of the story, filtering up from time to time, and then exploding out there with MAD.

Keeping in mind that I watched the whole thing in two chunks, I never got the impression it had been dropped. It was always there in the back of the story, filtering up from time to time, and then exploding out there with MAD.

Same here, but I also saw most of the season in one week.

I never thought they'd dropped the rape arc either, but I watched them all in two weeks or thereabouts, so everything was pretty fresh in my mind from beginning to end.

Having no fandom baggage means I can love Logan? Huzzah!

Having no fandom baggage means I can love Logan? Huzzah!

The craxxy people are not allowed to ruin Logan for us, drat it!

So I shall ignore them. Which won't be hard, because I've been ignoring most of them since the first time they cried Woobie for Spike.