I guess it's part me being contrary, part the fans being over-the-top in my view.(TWoP is the place where I've seen the most annoying behavior) Keep telling me that so-and-so is the best character evah! or that the Logan/Veronica relationship is the most important part of the show, and I'll roll my eyes and decide the opposite.
There are cockroaches in Mexico big enough to own property.
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Veronica Mars: Annoy, Tiny Blonde One. Annoy Like the Wind.
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Sheryl - Sep 08, 2005 9:19:30 am PDT #216 of 5730
Fandom means never having to say "But where would I wear that?"
Vonnie K - Sep 08, 2005 10:32:52 am PDT #217 of 5730
Kiss me, my girl, before I'm sick.
I think I mentioned this to Vonnie when she was up here.
Heh. Yeah, I remember that conversation. You were half way through the season and already had some gender issues.
I didn't mind the damsel thing in the finale, but I can see how that could push buttons. And the big reveal about Lilly herself felt in-character to me, although I know some people were unhappy about that as well.
really? i'm not really seeing any of that.
I occasionally lurk at TwoP (although not at the episode threads or character threads any more because my GOD they are loooong) and there are several people like that. But it's mostly in certain corners of the LJ. It's possible that I'm not being fair to them because... well, I have residual Spike War traumas, but I've been seeing some LJers whose "Buffy is a cast-iron bitch and Spike is a weedle woobiekin victim" rants used to drive me nuts making the almost exact same arguments against Veronica. It makes me uneasy, because I love Logan and I don't want to not love him any more because of the fans.
Ah, well. Old fandom baggage, yada yada.
P.M. Marc - Sep 08, 2005 10:39:51 am PDT #218 of 5730
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
I didn't mind the damsel thing in the finale, but I can see how that could push buttons. And the big reveal about Lilly herself felt in-character to me, although I know some people were unhappy about that as well.
Yeah, I didn't have any real problem with the Lilly reveal, though I think it wasn't as smoothly integrated as many of the other reveals.
In some ways, I have the same reaction to S1 VMars as I do to S5 AtS. In both cases, there was a splendidly done B-arc (Veronica's rape and the Connor situation) with a near-perfect and emotionally complex conclusion, and an A-arc (Lilly's murder, Wolfram & Hart) that felt patched together at the end.
Tom Scola - Sep 08, 2005 10:44:37 am PDT #219 of 5730
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Veronica's rape was an arc? It was in the pilot, and not mentioned again until the one or two episodes. I thought the writers had dropped it.
P.M. Marc - Sep 08, 2005 11:04:59 am PDT #220 of 5730
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
Veronica's rape was an arc? It was in the pilot, and not mentioned again until the one or two episodes. I thought the writers had dropped it.
Keeping in mind that I watched the whole thing in two chunks, I never got the impression it had been dropped. It was always there in the back of the story, filtering up from time to time, and then exploding out there with MAD.
Wolfram - Sep 08, 2005 12:19:39 pm PDT #221 of 5730
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Keeping in mind that I watched the whole thing in two chunks, I never got the impression it had been dropped. It was always there in the back of the story, filtering up from time to time, and then exploding out there with MAD.
Same here, but I also saw most of the season in one week.
Jars - Sep 08, 2005 12:22:00 pm PDT #222 of 5730
I never thought they'd dropped the rape arc either, but I watched them all in two weeks or thereabouts, so everything was pretty fresh in my mind from beginning to end.
Having no fandom baggage means I can love Logan? Huzzah!
P.M. Marc - Sep 08, 2005 12:23:51 pm PDT #223 of 5730
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
Having no fandom baggage means I can love Logan? Huzzah!
The craxxy people are not allowed to ruin Logan for us, drat it!
So I shall ignore them. Which won't be hard, because I've been ignoring most of them since the first time they cried Woobie for Spike.
Vonnie K - Sep 08, 2005 12:32:27 pm PDT #224 of 5730
Kiss me, my girl, before I'm sick.
You know, they didn't specifically mention the rape for most of the season, but the Rashomon-like structure of ATttD with the callbacks to almost all the 09ers from the episodes-past made it into such a continuity-yay! fest that it *felt* like there had been an ongoing arc.
Plus, what Plei said about its presence being felt in the background. Veronica's ferociousness and her massive trust issues owe as much to what happened to that party as to Lilly's murder, I think.
Fredrik - Sep 08, 2005 5:20:24 pm PDT #225 of 5730
Even the most stable brain operates just a millimeter from madness.
I followed season one on a weekly basis, and while the rape never felt like an arc to me, I still never felt it was dropped. Didn't they speak of it from time to time, if only in small bits of dialogue? Or is it perhaps just as Vonnie K said, that part of what makes Veronica tick these days come from the rape, and that's it? 'Cause I can totally buy that.