You guys make it way too complicated.

Buffistas, though, isn't a bar, it's more like a coffeehouse.

David S. likes to call it a cocktail party. And yes, we're a lot less jostle-y than several male-dominated boards I've been on.

And like a barfly in a Starbucks, I feel like I'm just jostling around and making an ass of myself.

This is called "falling into the guacamole" and is a time-honored tradition! Okay, it is just something we all do. I haven't noticed an conspicuous avocado today, but, I haven't been 100% paying attention.

Although I am a fan of lurky information-gathering (I am kind of a sneak myself), I do hope you'll rejoin the conversation when you feel qualified to do so, dw. New perspectives are always good. Also, whom else can I ask stupid questions about the geography and culture of Oklahoma? We have several Utah peeps, folk from KC, Minnesota representing, and numerous foreign correspondents, but nobody else from Oklahoma that I know of.

Is gingerbread bread or cake?

Gingerbread is (are?) bats. Which I might bake a batch of when the weather stays cool for a few days.

So... I'm just going to curtail my posting significantly and lurk a lot more. This isn't a culture I understand well enough yet to be a productive member of b.org. The less I talk, the less damage I can do.

Maybe I over-skimmed, but you really seemed to fit right in and I don't think you so much as annoyed anyone much less pissed anyone off. Like Gud, I also thought you were an old-timer. Anyway, we totally need more barflies in our coffeehouse. Seriously.

dw, it takes a while to adjust to board culture, but I haven't noticed any higher level of kerfuffling today than usual, so don't take it too much to heart, whatever happens.

For me, cakes contain eggs. Breads do not.

dw, I don't see it that way. Sorry you feel uncomfortable.

Even oatmeal cookies? I'm all about the chewiness.

I already put in over and above the usual amount of oatmeal, so I get the chewiness that way. It's purely a me distinction, I think.

Is gingerbread bread or cake?

This is a question for the ages, I think.

I never saw gingerbread in bread/cake format until I was an adult. I always had gingerbread cookies, so I thought that was what gignerbread meant -- flat, hard cookies. Seeing inch-tall cake was a bit alarming.

Oh, and Nutty's totally right about the guacamole. I'm never getting the green stains out of that one sweater from back in 2001...

For me, cakes contain eggs. Breads do not.

Chikat, is challah a cake then, in your mind? Because, my thought was no, and that takes 4 eggs. But brioche, yes, and that is several eggs. Both of them totally drown in butter, too.