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Natter 37: Oddly Enough, We've Had This Conversation Before.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Pix - Aug 02, 2005 8:28:26 am PDT #4889 of 10002
The status is NOT quo.

Oh Aimee, we do sometimes use religious texts in terms of literature, and I believe theology is a fascinating area of academia. Alas, that isn't what the parents I was dealing with wanted. They didn't see the difference between the class reading a book that had some elements of paganism in it and teaching paganism as the One True Path. They also said that a book about Christianity would "never be taught". Um. Western Canon much?


Nutty - Aug 02, 2005 8:30:46 am PDT #4890 of 10002
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

I had to read sections of the Bible as part of 9th grade English Lit. Part of the reason? Milton makes no sense if you don't know the Bible, and everybody agrees that Milton is part of English Lit.

Actually, a lot of Western Lit makes no sense if you don't know the Bible at all, so it's a good grounding to have. But it's a good grounding the way you read Herodotus and Virgil, not an all-encompassing guide to things that do not belong in English class.

(Despite that 9th grade larnin', I somehow made it to college under the vague impression that the crucifixion had taken place in Rome. That was before the History Channel though, which seems to have weekly specials about the archaeohistory of the Holy Land.)


-t - Aug 02, 2005 8:30:53 am PDT #4891 of 10002
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

We read Genesis in English class. To discuss it as literature.

We were also required by law to be taught creationism alongside evolution, but my biology teacher scoffed at that law. And then left teaching to enter a seminary.


Gudanov - Aug 02, 2005 8:31:37 am PDT #4892 of 10002
Coding and Sleeping

If there is a chunk of kids who want to learn about the Bible in a literature context

I think it's okay in a literature context, but it sounds like the Texas program crosses over into endorsement.


askye - Aug 02, 2005 8:31:38 am PDT #4893 of 10002
Thrive to spite them

In middle school in one world history class we learned about Islam. We studied it for quite a while, I remember trying to memorize the five pillars of Islam.

It wasn't being taught as a religon though, not with the idea of conversion and saying this is the only way. We were studying it as part of history and culture so we could better understand the time period and the people. Mom's still pissed about this, but I never had a problem with it.

What I did have a problem with was in high school being made to feel guilty because I didn't participate in some morning prayer around the flag pole. The prayer thing wasn't required by school, but the kids who were doing it tried to make the rest of us feel guilty.


Betsy HP - Aug 02, 2005 8:34:00 am PDT #4894 of 10002
If I only had a brain...

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Aims - Aug 02, 2005 8:34:38 am PDT #4895 of 10002
Shit's all sorts of different now.

Alas, that isn't what the parents I was dealing with wanted. They didn't see the difference between the class reading a book that had some elements of paganism in it and teaching paganism as the One True Path.

t whaps idiot parents


Gudanov - Aug 02, 2005 8:36:43 am PDT #4896 of 10002
Coding and Sleeping

They didn't see the difference between the class reading a book that had some elements of paganism in it and teaching paganism as the One True Path.

Quite a while ago I was in a bookstore, checking out the Sci-Fi/Fantasy section and there were a group of people there looking at a JRR Tolkein book and commented on what a sick twisted mind could produce all this anti-christian stuff.


Jesse - Aug 02, 2005 8:37:20 am PDT #4897 of 10002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

What I did have a problem with was in high school being made to feel guilty because I didn't participate in some morning prayer around the flag pole. The prayer thing wasn't required by school, but the kids who were doing it tried to make the rest of us feel guilty.

Wow, that's real? I am again reminded that I don't live in America.


Cashmere - Aug 02, 2005 8:37:34 am PDT #4898 of 10002
Now tagless for your comfort.

We read Genesis in English class. To discuss it as literature.

I had some of this in a college English class. Very interestingly taught by an excellent professor. But there were a few awkward moments during the first class when he explained we were studying it as literature and not as the Word of God. A student excused herself because she said she took the bible literally word for word and couldn't accept that it was being taught otherwise.