As Willow goes, so goes my nation.

Oz ,'Selfless'


Natter 37: Oddly Enough, We've Had This Conversation Before.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Cashmere - Aug 02, 2005 8:37:34 am PDT #4898 of 10002
Now tagless for your comfort.

We read Genesis in English class. To discuss it as literature.

I had some of this in a college English class. Very interestingly taught by an excellent professor. But there were a few awkward moments during the first class when he explained we were studying it as literature and not as the Word of God. A student excused herself because she said she took the bible literally word for word and couldn't accept that it was being taught otherwise.


bon bon - Aug 02, 2005 8:37:51 am PDT #4899 of 10002
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

Hell, I have an otherwise well-educated teen cousin who thought Adam and Eve were Jesus' parents. It's an odd sort of educational avoidance, that.

OMG, I was so confused about how dinosaurs and Adam and Eve (and maybe something stupid like the Pilgrims) fit together. Relatedly, it was an embarrassingly long time before I figured out how cells fit in with atoms.


Cashmere - Aug 02, 2005 8:38:39 am PDT #4900 of 10002
Now tagless for your comfort.

Quite a while ago I was in a bookstore, checking out the Sci-Fi/Fantasy section and there were a group of people there looking at a JRR Tolkein book and commented on what a sick twisted mind could produce all this anti-christian stuff.

How do people this stupid even find the bookstore?


Theodosia - Aug 02, 2005 8:39:14 am PDT #4901 of 10002
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

A friend of mine wrote up the study guide included in the Classics Illustrated Moby Dick (which actually isn't a half-bad adaptation, according to her) and got one of her "study questions" at the end of the essay shot down by the editor: "Now do you know why you must read the Bible and Shakespeare in order to be considered literate?"

Max Factor was also a real person -- he was a Hollywood makeup artist.


Pix - Aug 02, 2005 8:39:37 am PDT #4902 of 10002
The status is NOT quo.

Gah. I hate the inability to distinguish "not Christian" from "anti-Christian". One of these things is not like the other, people!


§ ita § - Aug 02, 2005 8:40:29 am PDT #4903 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

When I first read Genesis I was pissed because there were no dinosaurs. It was pointed out that they hadn't said they didn't exist, just that they hadn't been mentioned by name. Didn't matter. Dinosaurs were so big, I thought they had to be in there.

Later on a teacher tried to contradict what I'd since learned of evolution, and I went home pissed hoping that my mother would hit him or something. But she just laughed it off.


DavidS - Aug 02, 2005 8:41:44 am PDT #4904 of 10002
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Max Factor was also a real person -- he was a Hollywood makeup artist.

I recommend the Max Factor Museum in Hollywood. If it's still open, that is. He invented tons of stuff.


tommyrot - Aug 02, 2005 8:42:23 am PDT #4905 of 10002
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Dinosaurs were so big, I thought they had to be in there.

Dinosaurs went extinct when Noah couldn't fit them in the ark. But he felt guilty about it, so he wrote them out of Genesis.


Nutty - Aug 02, 2005 8:42:28 am PDT #4906 of 10002
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

A student excused herself because she said she took the bible literally word for word and couldn't accept that it was being taught otherwise.

A serious question: how do people like this function in a multicultural society? It's got to be awfully difficult, going to work every day and meeting people who are, e.g., different religions or downright atheists. Do they just end every conversation with a mental "You're going to hell, you sinner"? I think probably they have to do a lot of mental gymnastics when they make friend with a Unitarian or something.


Theodosia - Aug 02, 2005 8:42:38 am PDT #4907 of 10002
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

Oh, and for Nutty: wasn't it St. Peter who got crucified in Rome?