Now, this would be the perfect time for a swear word.

Kaylee ,'Jaynestown'


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Jessica - Jun 24, 2005 9:41:04 am PDT #86 of 10001
If I want to become a cloud of bats, does each bat need a separate vaccination?

If there were pictures of kiddie-snuff porn in there, or even kiddie-rape porn, we were never shown the evidence, or even had its existence implied.

I can see where showing kiddie snuff porn on network television might be a little problematic...


Gris - Jun 24, 2005 9:42:33 am PDT #87 of 10001
Hey. New board.

Sure, sure. But so would be showing kiddie porn, which is why we just got little snippets of titles. You can talk about it though. They didn't. I therefore assume it wasn't there, because what else can I do?


Polter-Cow - Jun 24, 2005 9:44:08 am PDT #88 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Write fanfic.


Allyson - Jun 24, 2005 9:47:46 am PDT #89 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

I find it interesting how quickly Paul was to judge the S&M people but he had no problem seeing the line between 'potential' killer and killer.

I think he'd have some harsh judgments on Roger's fantasy life, I'm not sure that he thought S&M was criminal, just repugnant.

My assumption was that he was waiting to kill them, not waiting to work out if they were really appropriate targets.

I had assumed that part of his enjoyment was in killing them in the manner in which they would kill. Which means waiting for them to make their little murder kits or dig the graves, buy the gun.

Of course, if Roger's intent/fantasy was to strangle his victims, or suffocate them in some way, there's no need to buy a gun.


PatK - Jun 24, 2005 9:49:13 am PDT #90 of 10001
"I so wanna storm out on you right now, but if I stand up, I'll fall." --Jaye

Personally, I never thought Rebecca's biggest fear was that Roger would kill little girls. She may have gotten caught up in the Pre-filer's view of things, but I think her biggest fear was just that he would eventually move onto molesting them instead of just watching, which she probably thinks of as worse than death, having lived with the consequences of a similiar experience (I assume) most of her life. To me, that's what that stare was from her at the end.

She knows what his future victims will have to live with emotionally and mentally, and I think part of her really wanted to tell Martin to shoot Roger just for that alone. Death is easy. Living after a crime like that being done to you, is not.

ETA: And I agree with the "Pre-filer rush job just to get at Rebecca" thing.


Nutty - Jun 24, 2005 9:49:22 am PDT #91 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Remember the good old days, when Donnie Pfaster had to be called a "death fetishist," because the netowrk would not allow them to say "necrophiliac" on air? Good times, good times.

For the record, it's relatively rare for pedophiles to be particularly murderous. Pederasty has more in common with acquaintance-rape than with serial murder, on the whole. Which is not to say that no pederast in history hasn't eventually advanced to murder, but it's quite common to spend 30 years performing child-rape as a Catholic priest while passing in everyday society without the danger of a corpse being found.

Which factoid has minimal relationship with the episode, since it avowedly was mixing up serial killers with spree killers, and probably meant to boil it all down to "dudes what do bad things."


brenda m - Jun 24, 2005 9:50:56 am PDT #92 of 10001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

I can see where showing kiddie snuff porn on network television might be a little problematic...

Law and Order's done it.


Allyson - Jun 24, 2005 9:53:48 am PDT #93 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

So I'm trying to figure out why the assumption of the prefiler or Rebecca is that he would have eventually murdered. Was it because he had identified a victim in wee Aubrey? But that could have been for molestation, or even just staring at her for jackoff purposes.

The other victims seemed to have a more clear intent.


Polter-Cow - Jun 24, 2005 9:56:34 am PDT #94 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

So I'm trying to figure out why the assumption of the prefiler or Rebecca is that he would have eventually murdered.

Rebecca had a whole spiel about it. He would know his feelings were wrong, and he would hate the girls for making him have these feelings, and to stop these oh-so-wrong feelings, he would have to eliminate what was causing them, i.e., the girls.


Nutty - Jun 24, 2005 9:59:39 am PDT #95 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

He would know his feelings were wrong, and he would hate the girls for making him have these feelings, and to stop these oh-so-wrong feelings, he would have to eliminate what was causing them, i.e., the girls.

I have to say, that logic is unassailable, but also totally generic. You could apply that logic to anybody who has powerful feelings of guilt, and most people do not murder their parents/lovers/children/ice cream sandwiches.

Feeling guilty, and being guilty, and doing something that requires the disposal of a body and a web of elaborate lies, are three very different things. It takes some work to go from one step to the next, and that step to the third state of being is the biggest.