It doesn't explain some things, like why the Run-Lola-Run girl at the beginning of Beneath You was slayerific.

Was she more slayeriffic than the other potentials?

I'm a fan of Occam. What they said is true if nothing on or offscreen contradicts it.

It can be made untrue later, but "unreliable narrator" isn't evidence. It's possibility. If this whole discussion has been about "well, it doesn't have to stay true" I apologise for prolonging it. So I ask "Do you believe the slayer line runs through Faith? If not, what is your evidence?"

But.. Spike wasn't anything like an unreliable narrator, even with the retcon. I think that using that terminology is confusing things more than it clarifies.The retcon is that "sire" didn't mean what we thought it means, right? So he was being accurate. An unreliable narrator is lying, either deliberately or because of their own subjectivity.

they discussed that a new Slayer wasn't called when Buffy died because Faith was already there

What did they base that on? (Is that in Bargaining? I'll go look it up instead of pestering people.) I have no problem with the characters being wrong later; I have a problem with them suddenly acquiring knowledge about completely unprecedented situation. Which might explain why I seem to have blocked the whole thing out.

Was she more slayeriffic than the other potentials?

Yes.

I'm a fan of Occam. What they said is true if nothing on or offscreen contradicts it.

Right, but things onscreen do at least call it into question, and the only thing onscreen to support the line going through Faith is that the Scoobies assumed the line went through Kendra, and that Faith must have been called because Kendra died. Faith could have been called, because Buffy went to Hell.

So I ask "Do you believe the slayer line runs through Faith? If not, what is your evidence?"

I believe it is possible from canon that it does not, and that's all I was ever arguing. Buffy's a significant slayer in the 'verse. Got Life asked the following, which started the conversation:

In Fray, it shows a blond and says she was the last called slayer and after her fight all demons and magic disappeared.

Problem there is, the Slayer line ran through Faith. At least before they called all the other slayers. It ran through Faith the momment she was called.

So it could not be Buffy who had the last fight.

Right?

Matt made a good explanation that takes into account that legends evolve over time. But it's also possible the slayer line either doesn't run through Faith, or doesn't only run through Faith, since we know things were out of balance, because of Buffy.

I don't understand why Buffy couldn't be the last called slayer. All she has to do is outlive everyone called since her.

If Joss wants it to run through Faith, it runs through Faith until he doesn't want it to run through Faith. The man will make his own wiggle room. So far, it looks like he wants it to run through Faith.

See, I just read both Fray, and season 7 of BtVS to mean it's possible he's already wiggling on that.

Explain to me why Buffy can't be the last slayer. I don't see what the line has to do with that.

Well, there is the last slayer to die, or the last slayer called, or the last slayer to be born. We know one of these things Buffy is not, but the other two are up for grabs, AFAIK.

I've long since given Joss the biggest pass in the world when it comes to logic-plotting, so it's not really an issue for me. Still, I was sorry when "My Yoda!" became obsolete, because it was just the funnest line evar.

Explain to me why Buffy can't be the last slayer. I don't see what the line has to do with that.

You're right, it doesn't have anything to do with that. It was the "line" line in Got Life's question that caught my eye.

I don't know what "called" even means. It doesn't seem to me that it's anything the CoW does.

We know one of these things Buffy is not, but the other two are up for grabs, AFAIK.

I'm pretty confident she can only be one of those.

I was sorry when "My Yoda!" became obsolete, because it was just the funnest line evar

Are we to pretend it never happened? Because with the retcon sire-definition, it's still valid, and I still find it funny.

The Yoda part's still good, anyhow. They were in a little pack or whatever the collective is for vampires. Angel certainly influenced Spike's ways, I'm sure.