I don't think most TV viewers' heads are trained to think "Standalones Only" anymore.
Yet L&O keeps breeding and breeding and breeding.
How many TV watchers are fans? Fans care for arc, watchers less so, I'd wager.
Mal: I call you back? Wash: No, Mal. You didn't. Zoe: I take full responsibility, cap.
'Out Of Gas'
The Minearverse 4: Support Group for Clumsy People
[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls and The Inside), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath.
§ ita § - Aug 28, 2005 2:31:53 pm PDT #3380 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
aurelia - Aug 28, 2005 2:39:16 pm PDT #3381 of 10001
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.
Related to an off topic conversation from a week or so ago... there is an Eagles concert airing on NBC right now (central).
Joe Walsh looks like my grandpa, but he's still a big ol' goof.
Cass - Aug 28, 2005 3:06:18 pm PDT #3382 of 10001
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.
How many TV watchers are fans? Fans care for arc, watchers less so, I'd wager.How I can be classified depends on the show. There are shows that I am a fan of, and then shows that I watch.
Shows I just "watch" don't really need major arcs. They are convienence shows for me, like drive-thru entertainment.
If it is a show where I can call myself a fan, then I love arcs and character development and mythology. Like eating a fabulous restaurant where it is more than just the food but still an amazing dinner.
I think what I am trying to say is that for me, L&O is fast food and I want other options when I am hungry, but sometimes I just settle for a cheeseburger.
Wolfram - Aug 28, 2005 3:31:49 pm PDT #3383 of 10001
Visilurking
Contrary to what seems to be the entire thread, I am excited for a Spike movie, and don't care when it's set. There didn't seem to be any way out of most end-season situations on either show, but there always was. And I don't care if characters come back from the dead, either.
I neither like or dislike Spike. But I never particularly liked or disliked any character in the Buffyverse, it was always about how their character arcs were written. I didn't dislike Buffy!Wesley, but I didn't care for the character all that much. Angel!Wesley grew on me big time, because of how he was written. Not that AD doesn't deserve accolades for the protrayal, he certainly does. But almost every actor in every M.E. show had been able to carry his/her assigned role with a few notable exceptions (I'm looking at you, Eve) and, to me, the success or failure of a Spike movie is going to be less about the Spike character, and more about how the movie's written (I'm looking at you, Tim.) When I heard about the Angel spin-off, and Cordelia going with him, I never thought to myself, "now that's a show." But Joss made me a believer.
Now, he could spin off a show with Andrew, Clem and Kitty Fantastico back from the dead, and I'd be just as excited. Because I know the writing and arcs and everything I love about the Buffyverse would be in place. Plus it opens the door for both on-screen and off-screen cameos which make my inner fangurl squee.
Topic!Cindy - Aug 28, 2005 3:36:02 pm PDT #3384 of 10001
What is even happening?
to me, the success or failure of a Spike movie is going to be less about the Spike character, and more about how the movie's written (I'm looking at you, Tim.)
Did Tim say he was asked to write too, or just to direct?
Now, he could spin off a show with Andrew, Clem and Kitty Fantastico back from the dead, and I'd be just as excited. Because I know the writing and arcs and everything I love about the Buffyverse would be in place. Plus it opens the door for both on-screen and off-screen cameos which make my inner fangurl squee.
*cough* Wolfram, there are fanboys, too, you know. That said, girl, boy, I'm with you on the above.
JenP - Aug 28, 2005 3:57:09 pm PDT #3385 of 10001
He posted "write," too, Cindy.
Wolfram - Aug 28, 2005 4:01:40 pm PDT #3386 of 10001
Visilurking
Wolfram, there are fanboys, too, you know. That said, girl, boy, I'm with you on the above.
But the word "fangurl" makes me giggle.
Polter-Cow - Aug 28, 2005 5:20:12 pm PDT #3387 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
You know, it's apt that we were discussing The 4400 just now, cause the finale brought the HSQ like whoa.
Tim probably would have had Tom lock all the NTAC people in the basement with distempered 4400s, though.
DebetEsse - Aug 28, 2005 5:24:39 pm PDT #3388 of 10001
Woe to the fucking wicked.
Well, after what happened with Kyle, you could play it that way, without too much trouble
But OMG the HSQ.
Allyson - Aug 28, 2005 5:36:24 pm PDT #3389 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica
Tim, I love you this {................much.................}
And that love is pretty much unconditional. Like, if you decided to burn puppies alive, or called me a fat cuntface piece of crap, well, I'd have to rethink the love. Those sorts of conditions may apply.
And while I'll support whatever it is you do with ruthless loyalty, if the Spike thing happens, I'm taking a 'net leave of absence for two years and moving to Montana.