Aren't they something. They're like butterflies, or little pieces of wrapping paper blowing around.

Kaylee ,'Shindig'


The Minearverse 4: Support Group for Clumsy People  

[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls and The Inside), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath.


Polter-Cow - Aug 20, 2005 6:39:10 pm PDT #2878 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

(Though I might argue that the best art produces exactly that kind of emotion in people.)

Kiba, that's similar to my feelings on "Karma Chameleon." In that on the second viewing, I suddenly realized I was identifying with Jaye so entirely that I was taking any criticism of the episode as a criticism of me. This was during the beginnings of my grad school crisis, as I was really wrestling with whether to stay or go on, what to do with my life, who I was supposed to be, what I was supposed to do with my potential, and that episode just hit all my buttons. All the metaphors, all the themes, all the ideas. I actually don't remember whether the episode was pushing for me to stay in grad school or quit. I think I was still trying to stay back then.


Tim Minear - Aug 20, 2005 6:40:34 pm PDT #2879 of 10001
"Don' be e-scared"

Except that doesn't actually happen, Allyson. Maybe that's why I don't get squicked.


Typo Boy - Aug 20, 2005 6:40:52 pm PDT #2880 of 10001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

I like Moon better than Stranger. Moon I think stays good all the way through. I think it is the perfect Heinlein in the sense that he maintained some self-discipline as a writer (as in not spending too much of the book on personal fantasies he was not quite good enough to persuade the audience to share) - while otherwise being Heinlein at his best (convincing world building, snappy dialog, playing with interesting ideas (even if I don't agree with many of them)). And it is well plotted which is not something you can say of everything Heinlein wrote. And if the characters don't really hold up to close examination, he managed to maintain a good illusion of characterization to me. I always though Stranger needed someone to crack the whip and tell him to do one more rewrite. Instead of which they went and published an anniversary edition with all the crap the editor (wisely imo) cut out.


Tim Minear - Aug 20, 2005 6:41:08 pm PDT #2881 of 10001
"Don' be e-scared"

Quit.


Kiba Rika - Aug 20, 2005 6:41:18 pm PDT #2882 of 10001
I may have to seize the cat.

n that on the second viewing, I suddenly realized I was identifying with Jaye so entirely that I was taking any criticism of the episode as a criticism of me.

Yup. I pretty much think if you call something I like trite, you are insulting my intelligence, and I don't take kindly to that. (I was gonna say that pretty much I feel if someone criticizes a writer I like, they're criticizing me, but that's just not so. People criticize Joss all the time, and if it's something I didn't like either, it really doesn't bug me.)


Allyson - Aug 20, 2005 6:41:27 pm PDT #2883 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

But isnt that just because there were no spam ads for cialis, back then?


Tim Minear - Aug 20, 2005 6:42:58 pm PDT #2884 of 10001
"Don' be e-scared"

No, it's because he nods off and drools and she sneaks into Mannie's room.


Tim Minear - Aug 20, 2005 6:43:16 pm PDT #2885 of 10001
"Don' be e-scared"

He's too old to fuck, is what I'm getting at.


Tim Minear - Aug 20, 2005 6:43:50 pm PDT #2886 of 10001
"Don' be e-scared"

Oh, I guess you're right about the "if you have a boner for more than 16 hours, call a doctor" thing.


DavidS - Aug 20, 2005 6:44:35 pm PDT #2887 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

He's too old to fuck, is what I'm getting at.

That should be a Dead Kennedys song.

Did you see the Plimsouls show yet?