Pretty much the only good to come out of the whole Saint Cordy fiasco was all the excellent snark it inspired.

I'm greatful that they managed to give her a proper send-off (thank you David Fury), but I would have traded it in a nano-second if we'd avoided the suckitude in the first place. I didn't mind evil!Cordy, now with Jasmine upgrade, but everything about the (c)Rapture/pod!Cordelia was just awful.

I swore that the entire Connor arc was Minear's way of scaring us all into double bagging.

I swore that the entire Connor arc was Minear's way of scaring us all into double bagging.

BWAH!! so glad i wasn't drinking anything when i read that.

If baby connor had just disappeared into Quortoth, I would have been okay with it all. I hated VK Connor so much.

Check it: When did Angel "Jump the Shark?"

Personally for me it was when baby Connor returned as teen Connor.

I liked teen Connor, and though his whiny phase was unpleasant I very much enjoyed his last several appearances.

Cordy ascending was the absolute pits, however. That really derailed the show for a while. On the plus side, it gave us more time to focus on Bitter!Wes and that was fun.

While I wasn't crazy about VK's portrayal, I thought Angsty Teen Connor had his uses. The infant version was only palatable to me in "Loyalty" and "Sleep Tight" when it looked like he might be pretty palatable to Angel, too...

I guess "Jump the Shark" choice depends on your definition. The show's best moment to me was the end of "Reunion," so everything was technically downhill from that point (though still very very good). There was a marked drop in quality with the Pylea arc, which ended the series' golden age. But I agree with Hec that the Crapture in "Tomorrow" was the absolute lowest point.

Hanging out with tiggy and Allyson in the Connor-hating-corner, although I did like him at the end, but only because he was so completely not like Connor at that point.

I also cheer for Tim's name each time it comes up. It's probably a good thing that I live alone. Of course, this may be the reason I live alone.

I get a little sad each time I see the writer and director credits and they're not him.

Kinda threatens your rep, doesn't it. Or does it cement it?

I'd guess at a little of both.

really? not in my corner of the fandom. there was very little love for junior. i couldn't stand him either.

I was not at all fond of Connor. I'd find myself tuning out a fair bit hen he was on the screen. Him leaving in Home was a wonderful relief to me.

Though.. strangely enough I absolutely loved the episode in S5 in which he came back. Weird.

I swore that the entire Connor arc was Minear's way of scaring us all into double bagging.

Allyson, you just sent me wildly laughing into a giant grin after a so-far-utterly-crappy day. I lurves ya.

I just noticed the COMMing of Cindy. I forgot to mention this earlier, but I would so watch that show. Hopefully Tim will see your post, the show will come to be, and you'll have some sort of creator credit!