Check it: When did Angel "Jump the Shark?"

Personally for me it was when baby Connor returned as teen Connor.

I liked teen Connor, and though his whiny phase was unpleasant I very much enjoyed his last several appearances.

Cordy ascending was the absolute pits, however. That really derailed the show for a while. On the plus side, it gave us more time to focus on Bitter!Wes and that was fun.

While I wasn't crazy about VK's portrayal, I thought Angsty Teen Connor had his uses. The infant version was only palatable to me in "Loyalty" and "Sleep Tight" when it looked like he might be pretty palatable to Angel, too...

I guess "Jump the Shark" choice depends on your definition. The show's best moment to me was the end of "Reunion," so everything was technically downhill from that point (though still very very good). There was a marked drop in quality with the Pylea arc, which ended the series' golden age. But I agree with Hec that the Crapture in "Tomorrow" was the absolute lowest point.

Hanging out with tiggy and Allyson in the Connor-hating-corner, although I did like him at the end, but only because he was so completely not like Connor at that point.

I also cheer for Tim's name each time it comes up. It's probably a good thing that I live alone. Of course, this may be the reason I live alone.

I get a little sad each time I see the writer and director credits and they're not him.

Kinda threatens your rep, doesn't it. Or does it cement it?

I'd guess at a little of both.

really? not in my corner of the fandom. there was very little love for junior. i couldn't stand him either.

I was not at all fond of Connor. I'd find myself tuning out a fair bit hen he was on the screen. Him leaving in Home was a wonderful relief to me.

Though.. strangely enough I absolutely loved the episode in S5 in which he came back. Weird.

I swore that the entire Connor arc was Minear's way of scaring us all into double bagging.

Allyson, you just sent me wildly laughing into a giant grin after a so-far-utterly-crappy day. I lurves ya.

I just noticed the COMMing of Cindy. I forgot to mention this earlier, but I would so watch that show. Hopefully Tim will see your post, the show will come to be, and you'll have some sort of creator credit!

I guess "Jump the Shark" choice depends on your definition. The show's best moment to me was the end of "Reunion," so everything was technically downhill from that point (though still very very good). There was a marked drop in quality with the Pylea arc, which ended the series' golden age. But I agree with Hec that the Crapture in "Tomorrow" was the absolute lowest point.

Given that I don't think anyone considers the shark jump episode of Happy Days to be its zeneith, I've always used the term for the "abandon all hope" moment for a show - the point where it's never going to be any good ever again. The crapture came close, but there were enough fun season 5 episodes to have me think that it ever really reached the point of no return.

For a good example, I've always liked the X-Files as a show that once it reached a certain point, there was no reason to keep watching. I'm tempted to say that point was the movie, and how the season after seemed to be trying to contradict/take back/retcon everything the movie seemed to tell us.

Wow. A cult of five. We won't need much Kool Aid.

I can't speak for the rest, but when I get on a Kool Aid binge I want a lot of it.

Um, Nicklas, about the Kool Aid...

nevermind.

You only really drink the one cup.