Whoa! I... I think I'm having a thought. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a thought. Now I'm having a plan. Now I'm having a wiggins.

Xander ,'First Date'


Natter 36: But We Digress...  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


juliana - Jul 13, 2005 6:01:20 am PDT #9373 of 10001
I’d be lying if I didn’t say that I miss them all tonight…

We had 1 attendant each, my MiL made the bouquets, my shower was a lingerie one, and it was "girl's night out" instead of a bachelorette (didn't stop me from getting drunk, but we didn't do any of the cringe-inducing things. Just dinner and dancing). The only stress involved was my mother being CRAXY, but that was induced by her less-than-stellar home life and the recent death of a friend. No one was expected to spend *anything* except gas to get to the two locations. I just wanted my peeps near me, and that I got. It was good.


§ ita § - Jul 13, 2005 6:02:26 am PDT #9374 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I liked the two times I was a bridesmaid. Of course, it didn't cost me anything other than my plane ticket to Vancouver for the one (which, really, same cost as if I wasn't the chief bridesmaid). I'm still agog at the whole expense incurring thing. If it weren't for the interweb, I wouldn't know that it was standard for it to cost the maids money. At least the groomsmen get lapdances, you know?


tommyrot - Jul 13, 2005 6:03:18 am PDT #9375 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

I love this headline: Universe 'too queer' to grasp

Cool article too.

Professor Dawkins, the renowned Selfish Gene author from Oxford University, said we were living in a "middle world" reality that we have created.

...

Professor Dawkins' opening talk, in a session called Meme Power, explored the ways in which humans invent their own realities to make sense of the infinitely complex worlds they are in; worlds made more complex by ideas such as quantum physics which is beyond most human understanding.

"Are there things about the Universe that will be forever beyond our grasp, in principle, ungraspable in any mind, however superior?" he asked.

"Successive generations have come to terms with the increasing queerness of the Universe."

Each species, in fact, has a different "reality". They work with different "software" to make them feel comfortable, he suggested.

Because different species live in different models of the world, there was a discomfiting variety of real worlds, he suggested.

"Middle world is like the narrow range of the electromagnetic spectrum that we see," he said.

"Middle world is the narrow range of reality that we judge to be normal as opposed to the queerness that we judge to be very small or very large."


§ ita § - Jul 13, 2005 6:06:18 am PDT #9376 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Electronic paper.

"Are there things about the Universe that will be forever beyond our grasp, in principle, ungraspable in any mind, however superior?"

I'm totally down with this idea.


amych - Jul 13, 2005 6:06:32 am PDT #9377 of 10001
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

I realize I'm outside the norm, but I don't want to spend ridiculous amounts of money to be decorative; neither to I want to spend ridiculous amounts of money to be the (non)hired help.

Dude, not outside the norm. Sane. But then, I am the wedding-hatin'-est newly-married-person ever. I can't even bring myself to say bride.


-t - Jul 13, 2005 6:07:22 am PDT #9378 of 10001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Um, brides do not get to point at people and say "You are throwing me a shower and this is who you invite and this is how much you spend". That much I'm sure of.

I didn't have any showers either, though, so maybe I should have done more pointing. (kidding, I had a Bachelorette party that consisted of bar hopping in the French Quarter that was what I wanted, a shower would have been complicated and probably not fun, I don't need a toilet paper dress). I did make my bridesmaids buy a dress (The rest of this post keep sgetting eaten, I will take it as a sign)


JZ - Jul 13, 2005 6:08:11 am PDT #9379 of 10001
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

If I had ever been in a wedding like yours, I might not have such a dim view of The Lost Art of Bridesmaiding.

Did I mention that the bridesmaids' gifts included flasks? Each one different - a sterling silver Celtic knot flask, a Charles Rennie Macintosh flask from England, a flask with a picture of Curious George all stoned on ether, one I can't remember anymore, and a flask with Rush album cover art (the bridesmaid who got that one called me up in tears to thank me, she was so touched). I'm still bummed that I didn't have my shit together enough to buy a bunch of bottles of nifty stuff and fill each flask with the perfect appropriate liqueur, but, given that I was still assembling CD covers on the morning of the wedding, it was clearly not to be.

Also, one shower gift per bridesmaid, and those who couldn't come to any showers were expressly ordered not to give me any gifts. Ditto those who lived far away and were thus making their attendance the gift. Also, I paid for one girl's dress, helped with another's, and found a third's on eBay for 75% off retail.

It's really not that hard. If what matters to you is the marriage itself, and having your friends there and participating in that union alongside you, you treat them decently and don't make it a hardship for them. It is just so very much NOT THAT HARD. I don't get people, I really don't.


Cashmere - Jul 13, 2005 6:12:27 am PDT #9380 of 10001
Now tagless for your comfort.

Do people normally only have one shower? It seems to me like I've known people who had several. But other than needing the MOH or at least one bridesmaid at each, they weren't mostly the same people, and it wasnt' the same people hosting them.

I had two showers--one for my side of the family, thrown by my older sister who wasn't in the wedding party. And one for Christopher's side of the family thrown by his aunt.

I didn't make a guest list for any of them. I just showed up and let the make me a wedding dress out of toilet paper.

My bridesmaids threw me a small bachelorette party which was us going to a bar and staying the night in a hotel suite. And they bought me pretty panties.

But I paid for half the bridesmaid dresses and shoes. And hotel rooms for them at the wedding.


Anne W. - Jul 13, 2005 6:14:25 am PDT #9381 of 10001
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

(However, my family is fulfilling the Bridezilla duties in her stead. Familyzilla. They're driving me fucking NUTS. Should I ever get married, I am SO eloping.)

Both my parents (who are no longer married to each other) have said that they hope I elope or do something similar. That's fine by me.

JZ, the flasks sound wonderful. I have to wonder if Vortex's Bridezilla will give her attendants gifts or not. I have a nasty feeling that the bridezillas who expect the most out of their bridesmaids financially also tend to be the ones who give crap gifts, if any.


Volans - Jul 13, 2005 6:16:44 am PDT #9382 of 10001
move out and draw fire

I didn't get a shower either. Or a honeymoon. Of course, the whole marriage has pretty much been a honeymoon. And the wedding was only slightly dressy, not a formal event by any means.

I have to admit my eyebrows climbed into my hairline, Vortex. Miss Manners would flip.

Wow. I really like the Smart Roadster.

How can you not love a car where the name of a color option is "Jack Black?"

There's a new Miata.

WANT!!! I miss my Miata.

And there's the new Ford Mustang convertibles (not really roadsters).

Hmmm...I saw a roadster at the store yesterday with Ford badging. I'll have to Google. There's also the MG roadster, don't forget!