Jayne ,'The Message'
Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.
Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another, Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
There we go Romans 1:26-27. I think that's the big one.
Men committed indecent acts with other men
Which begs the question--what about decent acts with other men?
Yeah, but those aren't Christ's words -- those are Paul's. And Paul isn't quoting Christ, either. That's all him.
Oh, for some reason I thought all the biblical prohibitions against homosexuality were OT.
Yeah, but those aren't Christ's words -- those are Paul's. And Paul isn't quoting Christ, either. That's all him.
IIRC Christ had very little to say about sex....
Yeah, but those aren't Christ's words -- those are Paul's.
Nonetheless, Romans seems to be where everyone goes when talking about how the bible condemns homosexuality.
Jesus was very wise and cool. Paul has some major league issues.
Paul also has interesting thoughts on women in church. feh. not having this discussion.
Steph, gotcha - didn't mean that to sound or feel like an attack., I hear what you were saying. I know we are throwing our hands up at the same people.
hmm, Kat, perhaps you are right, I should just say that we netted X amount.
I feel really odd pointing out scripture since I'm an atheist. I've just had a fair amount of exposure.
My sole point in that post had nothing to do with homosexuality, or Christ's words (or lack thereof) on the topic. My point was simply that when people ask, "Why don't people who claim to be bible-believing Christians actually obey the Old Testament laws?" the answer is that they don't have to.One caveat, that's more confined to the ritual purity laws. You're unlikely to hear anyone say we are not to follow the 10 commandments, for example. The true gist of the teaching is that it is not the law (any of it, not just the purity laws) that saves. Christ's sacrifice saves. The law points out where we do sin. Regeneration (which comes through faith in Christ) is the only way people can be made holy (and living a good life is the fruit of that salvation, not to the route to it).
but where in the NT does Christ speak against homosexuality?
Romans, I'm not sure of the exact passage.
Yeah, but those aren't Christ's words -- those are Paul's. And Paul isn't quoting Christ, either. That's all him.
You're right, it's not Jesus. But the argument that Jesus didn't say it isn't particularly convincing, because there are plenty of things he didn't talk about, that are common sense he wouldn't condone. The passages in the NT where homosexual acts are discussed include Romans 1; I Corinthians 6; I Timothy 1