Men committed indecent acts with other men
Which begs the question--what about decent acts with other men?
I'm not sure how old he is, but I heard him use the word 'newfangled' one time, so he's gotta be pretty far gone.
Dawn ,'Beneath You'
Natter 36: But We Digress...
Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.
Connie Neil - Jun 14, 2005 6:49:29 am PDT #1751 of 10001
brillig
Steph L. - Jun 14, 2005 6:49:42 am PDT #1752 of 10001
I look more rad than Lutheranism
Yeah, but those aren't Christ's words -- those are Paul's. And Paul isn't quoting Christ, either. That's all him.
tommyrot - Jun 14, 2005 6:50:42 am PDT #1753 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.
Oh, for some reason I thought all the biblical prohibitions against homosexuality were OT.
tommyrot - Jun 14, 2005 6:51:24 am PDT #1754 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.
Yeah, but those aren't Christ's words -- those are Paul's. And Paul isn't quoting Christ, either. That's all him.
IIRC Christ had very little to say about sex....
Gudanov - Jun 14, 2005 6:53:39 am PDT #1755 of 10001
Coding and Sleeping
Yeah, but those aren't Christ's words -- those are Paul's.
Nonetheless, Romans seems to be where everyone goes when talking about how the bible condemns homosexuality.
Connie Neil - Jun 14, 2005 6:54:09 am PDT #1756 of 10001
brillig
Jesus was very wise and cool. Paul has some major league issues.
msbelle - Jun 14, 2005 6:55:43 am PDT #1757 of 10001
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb
Paul also has interesting thoughts on women in church. feh. not having this discussion.
Steph, gotcha - didn't mean that to sound or feel like an attack., I hear what you were saying. I know we are throwing our hands up at the same people.
hmm, Kat, perhaps you are right, I should just say that we netted X amount.
Gudanov - Jun 14, 2005 6:55:46 am PDT #1758 of 10001
Coding and Sleeping
I feel really odd pointing out scripture since I'm an atheist. I've just had a fair amount of exposure.
Topic!Cindy - Jun 14, 2005 6:56:41 am PDT #1759 of 10001
What is even happening?
My sole point in that post had nothing to do with homosexuality, or Christ's words (or lack thereof) on the topic. My point was simply that when people ask, "Why don't people who claim to be bible-believing Christians actually obey the Old Testament laws?" the answer is that they don't have to.One caveat, that's more confined to the ritual purity laws. You're unlikely to hear anyone say we are not to follow the 10 commandments, for example. The true gist of the teaching is that it is not the law (any of it, not just the purity laws) that saves. Christ's sacrifice saves. The law points out where we do sin. Regeneration (which comes through faith in Christ) is the only way people can be made holy (and living a good life is the fruit of that salvation, not to the route to it).
but where in the NT does Christ speak against homosexuality?
Romans, I'm not sure of the exact passage.
Yeah, but those aren't Christ's words -- those are Paul's. And Paul isn't quoting Christ, either. That's all him.
You're right, it's not Jesus. But the argument that Jesus didn't say it isn't particularly convincing, because there are plenty of things he didn't talk about, that are common sense he wouldn't condone. The passages in the NT where homosexual acts are discussed include Romans 1; I Corinthians 6; I Timothy 1
Steph L. - Jun 14, 2005 6:57:18 am PDT #1760 of 10001
I look more rad than Lutheranism
Yeah, but those aren't Christ's words -- those are Paul's.
Nonetheless, Romans seems to be where everyone goes when talking about how the bible condemns homosexuality.
That is true, absolutely.
I just have this thing where I think that a faith called "Christianity" should focus on what Christ said and taught, and NSM on what Paul said. Because he was a bit of a nutter.
People who want to focus on Paul, go start Paulianity. Good luck to you.
Because Christ's message, overall, boiled down to "Hey, love each other, right? Take care of each other, duh." There was nothing in Christ's message about God hating fags.
Man. I like God, I'm good with Jesus, but what people do in their names is just a travesty all too often.