Season 4 is just excellent.

Man, I've totally flung self-restraint to the winds, and have been watching the episodes on the disk my friend sent me from the UK. Have now seen 4.11 through 4.14. Oh, boys.

(And the funny thing is that, although I'm just finishing this huge story that ended up all Wincesty, and although I'm good with that within the story, and buy it within the context of that particular story, I still totally don't see it on the screen, or ship it. At all.)

I still totally don't see it on the screen, or ship it. At all.

t sits next to Fay

Even if I did see the Wincest, I wouldn't want to, because I don't see any way in which it would be healthy for them. Frankly, despite the narrative/emotional appeal of their tight bond, they need--well, Dean needs, mostly--to get more emotional and psychological independence. And they're sufficiently enculturated that neither of them would think that fucking his brother was actually a good thing, a proper thing. It would be like a really ugly addiction, you know, and they'd both be filled with self-disgust and loathing.

Although I could almost see Sam at the moment trying to convince himself of it, with his whole "We're different," schtick. But it wouldn't work, and they'd both be miserable, and I don't want to watch that.

Erm. That was a bit teal-deery. Which is not to say all y'all who like the Wincest shouldn't read it. It's just so totally not my beautiful cake.

I realized the other night, talking to my brother on the phone, that he really does sound just like Dean, tonally and word choice. Yet another reason why Wincest ain't never going to work for me.

Yeah, I'm more or less with Suela. I've read stories where I could totally see it, but generally that implies and world and boys who are seriously even more completely fucked up than what we see on the screen. Dean especially, I think - I can't concieve of it not utterly destroying his whole sense of self, and I can't see a remotely healthly Sam going there either, though you're right that current Sam might be able to talk himself down some ugly roads.

(And the funny thing is that, although I'm just finishing this huge story that ended up all Wincesty, and although I'm good with that within the story, and buy it within the context of that particular story, I still totally don't see it on the screen, or ship it. At all.)

nods

I've been reading Fay's story, and enjoying it like crazy, but ... yeah. I don't read Wincest, and I don't see it on screen at all. But it makes sense within the context of what Fay is currently writing.

I don't necessarily see it, but I didn't necessarily see Spike/Xander either. I've read that and Wincest. I don't know that it's my beautiful cake, but it's not not my beautiful cake, either.

Just thought I'd speak out for the People of Meh, I Could Go Either Way.

On the bench with alla y'all--well, except for Emily.

I mean, I do see it as writ, if the writing and the story make it believeable. But in canon? I've always felt their relationship is physically--as in touch and familiarity with each other's bodies and physicality: "What's wrong with you?"--, mentally, and emotionally, incestuously close, but I don't believe for a second they're sexually involved, nor would either of them ever consider the other as a sex partner.

I'm in the people of "buys it in limited cirumstances, subject to possession, breaks with reality, and abuses of supernatural powers, with a side of if and only if it is not presented as a Good Happy Fun Thing."

All other variations usually throw me out of the story.

I'm in the people of "buys it in limited cirumstances, subject to possession, breaks with reality, and abuses of supernatural powers, with a side of if and only if it is not presented as a Good Happy Fun Thing."

And even then, it's very rare that I'll read it. Basically, I think I've only willingly read it in Destina's "Night Country" and Refur's ... crap. I've forgotten the name, the really long one (heh) where Dean gets possessed and things just get very very bad for a very long time. That's not a story I actually want to reread.