I realized the other night, talking to my brother on the phone, that he really does sound just like Dean, tonally and word choice. Yet another reason why Wincest ain't never going to work for me.

Yeah, I'm more or less with Suela. I've read stories where I could totally see it, but generally that implies and world and boys who are seriously even more completely fucked up than what we see on the screen. Dean especially, I think - I can't concieve of it not utterly destroying his whole sense of self, and I can't see a remotely healthly Sam going there either, though you're right that current Sam might be able to talk himself down some ugly roads.

(And the funny thing is that, although I'm just finishing this huge story that ended up all Wincesty, and although I'm good with that within the story, and buy it within the context of that particular story, I still totally don't see it on the screen, or ship it. At all.)

nods

I've been reading Fay's story, and enjoying it like crazy, but ... yeah. I don't read Wincest, and I don't see it on screen at all. But it makes sense within the context of what Fay is currently writing.

I don't necessarily see it, but I didn't necessarily see Spike/Xander either. I've read that and Wincest. I don't know that it's my beautiful cake, but it's not not my beautiful cake, either.

Just thought I'd speak out for the People of Meh, I Could Go Either Way.

On the bench with alla y'all--well, except for Emily.

I mean, I do see it as writ, if the writing and the story make it believeable. But in canon? I've always felt their relationship is physically--as in touch and familiarity with each other's bodies and physicality: "What's wrong with you?"--, mentally, and emotionally, incestuously close, but I don't believe for a second they're sexually involved, nor would either of them ever consider the other as a sex partner.

I'm in the people of "buys it in limited cirumstances, subject to possession, breaks with reality, and abuses of supernatural powers, with a side of if and only if it is not presented as a Good Happy Fun Thing."

All other variations usually throw me out of the story.

I'm in the people of "buys it in limited cirumstances, subject to possession, breaks with reality, and abuses of supernatural powers, with a side of if and only if it is not presented as a Good Happy Fun Thing."

And even then, it's very rare that I'll read it. Basically, I think I've only willingly read it in Destina's "Night Country" and Refur's ... crap. I've forgotten the name, the really long one (heh) where Dean gets possessed and things just get very very bad for a very long time. That's not a story I actually want to reread.

I can read it as part of a "wow, are their lives messed up" theme in fic. They fight demons, they have limited/unusual interactions with most people, they're in an emotional pressure cooker, and their unusual closeness manifests in incestuous sex. I don't buy it as a happy happy joy joy thing, although I could be sold on a thing that is a release in a life that doesn't have much chance for that.

That said, I haven't read much SPN fic of any sort lately. Got dragged into SGA and drowned in gay penguins. It was fun.

I'm in the people of "buys it in limited cirumstances, subject to possession, breaks with reality, and abuses of supernatural powers, with a side of if and only if it is not presented as a Good Happy Fun Thing."

I'm in this group too. I've seen it written well (Shallot springs to mind), but it's rare and generally has to be presented as something that's problematic rather than romantic. And I've never thought for a minute that it was a possibility in canon, though it's been funny when the writers have tweaked the concept. (I don't even recall the context any more, but Dean yelling "Baby, why you gotta be like that?" after Sam had me rolling on the floor.)

Got dragged into SGA and drowned in gay penguins. It was fun.

Gay penguins! I remember that. Calli, if you like, check out the Pegasus_b community on LJ, which had a bunch of really awesome stories written with SG-1 crossovers. The first penguin story was actually a PegB story.