Death is your art. You make it with your hands day after day. That final gasp, that look of peace. And part of you is desperate to know: What's it like? Where does it lead you? And now you see, that's the secret. Not the punch you didn't throw or the kicks you didn't land. She really wanted it. Every Slayer has a death wish. Even you.

Spike ,'Conversations with Dead People'


What Happens in Natter 35 Stays in Natter 35  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Sophia Brooks - Jun 02, 2005 12:47:15 pm PDT #8822 of 10001
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

To me, learned helplessness is what bosses do when they pretend they can't figure out how to do things like make copies, use the fax machine, or make coffee.

The other sort of apathy I do like Jesse does. If someone is going to rewrite what I write, no matter what it is, why bother to spend time on it?


Connie Neil - Jun 02, 2005 12:47:41 pm PDT #8823 of 10001
brillig

Have you people seen this website, Post Secret? It's amazing.

I have it bookmarked and check it every Monday. It's fascinating.


Betsy HP - Jun 02, 2005 12:48:05 pm PDT #8824 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

That's the thing -- that kind of learned helpless leads to self-contempt, because I perceive myself as growing less competent over time.


Jesse - Jun 02, 2005 12:48:36 pm PDT #8825 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

That's the thing -- that kind of learned helpless leads to self-contempt, because I perceive myself as growing less competent over time.

Uh huh.


Sophia Brooks - Jun 02, 2005 12:50:37 pm PDT #8826 of 10001
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

That's the thing -- that kind of learned helpless leads to self-contempt, because I perceive myself as growing less competent over time.

This makes sense. I do percieve that I am a worse and worse writer. Or at least trying less hard.

However, I have experienced ita's "But YOU do it so well..." form of learned helplessness. I make copies WELL. Really? I bet just about anyone can make copies just as well as I can if they tried for about 30 seconds.


Allyson - Jun 02, 2005 12:51:38 pm PDT #8827 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

This apartment sounds adorable and worth checking out, but the picture is so creepy I cant help but think there must have been a masacre there, and it's built on ancient tribal burial ground, and that little girl from the well will come bursting through the pipes.

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Betsy HP - Jun 02, 2005 12:55:40 pm PDT #8828 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

I love that apartment. I think you should hire Jilli to decorate it. Also, you should hang a bat out the window to take advantage of the slant.


Matt the Bruins fan - Jun 02, 2005 12:55:45 pm PDT #8829 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

With the LA housing market, as long as Samara could chip in on the rent that might not be a deal-breaker.


Rick - Jun 02, 2005 12:56:23 pm PDT #8830 of 10001

Is it used outside of depression? The people I know who do it seem very happy.

People here have given lots of other examples, but uses outside depression are more riffs on the name than they are a reflection of the original theory. The original theory was purely about learned apathy in the face of negative events. It wasn't about being manipulative or seductive or anything. Those behaviors are learned because they get you something positive (someone else does your work), not because the person doing them really feels helpless.

But there is no reason why the meaning of 'learned helplessness' couldn't change over time, especially since most researchers have abandoned it as a theory.


Kat - Jun 02, 2005 1:22:33 pm PDT #8831 of 10001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

Allyson, that picture is funny as all get out.

you should at least go look at the apartment.