Joyce: Dawn, you be good. Xander: We will. Just gonna play with some matches, run with scissors, take candy from some guy, I don't know his name.

'Beneath You'


What Happens in Natter 35 Stays in Natter 35  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Allyson - Jun 02, 2005 12:51:38 pm PDT #8827 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

This apartment sounds adorable and worth checking out, but the picture is so creepy I cant help but think there must have been a masacre there, and it's built on ancient tribal burial ground, and that little girl from the well will come bursting through the pipes.

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Betsy HP - Jun 02, 2005 12:55:40 pm PDT #8828 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

I love that apartment. I think you should hire Jilli to decorate it. Also, you should hang a bat out the window to take advantage of the slant.


Matt the Bruins fan - Jun 02, 2005 12:55:45 pm PDT #8829 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

With the LA housing market, as long as Samara could chip in on the rent that might not be a deal-breaker.


Rick - Jun 02, 2005 12:56:23 pm PDT #8830 of 10001

Is it used outside of depression? The people I know who do it seem very happy.

People here have given lots of other examples, but uses outside depression are more riffs on the name than they are a reflection of the original theory. The original theory was purely about learned apathy in the face of negative events. It wasn't about being manipulative or seductive or anything. Those behaviors are learned because they get you something positive (someone else does your work), not because the person doing them really feels helpless.

But there is no reason why the meaning of 'learned helplessness' couldn't change over time, especially since most researchers have abandoned it as a theory.


Kat - Jun 02, 2005 1:22:33 pm PDT #8831 of 10001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

Allyson, that picture is funny as all get out.

you should at least go look at the apartment.


§ ita § - Jun 02, 2005 1:24:11 pm PDT #8832 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I'm thinking this is better than the obvious alternative. And it's a pretty top -- I'm very unclear on how a lot of tops I see in the stores are really meant to be worn.


Kat - Jun 02, 2005 1:28:05 pm PDT #8833 of 10001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

Also, educators use learned helplessness to describe behaviors in LD students. The original studies weren't actually about depression per se at all. But they were a response to behaviorlism (which I loves me some BF Skinner) or to understand when and where and how behaviorlism breaks down.

It was then applied to depression, but the original term was not necessarily related just to depression.


§ ita § - Jun 02, 2005 1:33:34 pm PDT #8834 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

You. Over there. That's not a work conversation. I don't care if I don't understand the language. You don't talk to co-workers in that wailing cooing sort of voice. And the convo is easily over half an hour long. But you do burp less when talking to your husband.

And you. On the other side. Please stop grunting. Sighing I can handle, but the grunting is driving me batshit.

Thanks!


Allyson - Jun 02, 2005 1:36:40 pm PDT #8835 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Is he taking a hard crap in his cube? Whyfore the grunt?


§ ita § - Jun 02, 2005 1:38:28 pm PDT #8836 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Is he taking a hard crap in his cube? Whyfore the grunt?

Okay, ew. Thanks for visual. Also olfactoral.

I guess I should just be grateful that if he is crapping, his shit don't stink.