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'Objects In Space'


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§ ita § - Jun 02, 2005 12:44:01 pm PDT #8816 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

learned helplessness is what annoying females do so that they can simper and let some big strong man take care of them

My (unschooled) interpretation of the thing I'm now calling learned helplessness is less calculated than your average simpering chick, and is more like my parents' abject refusal to remember certain things about computers, or even to remember where the instructions are, or the teenager who just can't remember how much soap goes in with the laundry ... in theory, it does work out more easily for them, since there's an expert around who takes it (often impatiently) off their hands, but it's very "Well, she's so good at it!" more than a verbalised "Don't want to!" or "Shouldn't have to!"


Jesse - Jun 02, 2005 12:44:18 pm PDT #8817 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Good luck with EVERYTHING, Stephanie!

Have you people seen this website, Post Secret? It's amazing.


Betsy HP - Jun 02, 2005 12:44:26 pm PDT #8818 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

Huh. My idea of learned helplessness is that the fifth time I try to push somebody for a review, since I know he never gives reviews, I don't push very hard. If it were a brand-new person, I'd be much more aggressive.

This is why I need a new job. Which I have. So ha.


Allyson - Jun 02, 2005 12:44:29 pm PDT #8819 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Is it used outside of depression? The people I know who do it seem very happy.

I think what you're talking about is "ignorance is bliss," ita.

If they don't open the email, they cannot be stressed out by its contents which probably tell them they have to do something.

It's not just your email, but any email that may signify change or ask for an action. I suspect their homes are littered with unopened mail, and they carefully screen calls to filter out any information at all that could interrupt the blissful ignorance.

It's rather brilliant.


Matt the Bruins fan - Jun 02, 2005 12:45:40 pm PDT #8820 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Note to large black spider of indeterminate species: the interior of a kitchen garbage sack is not the ideal location to scout for web building and finding prey. Thought on the flip side, if it manages to clamber out through the tightest drawstring seal I've ever made on a trash bag it'll have all the flies its heart could desire.


§ ita § - Jun 02, 2005 12:47:10 pm PDT #8821 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I think what you're talking about is "ignorance is bliss," ita.

I am (or used to be) a big adopter of that particular method of thinking. But that's not the one I mean. It's the one that bleats woefully with trembling lashes because the effort to independently follow instructions makes them tired just thinking about it.


Sophia Brooks - Jun 02, 2005 12:47:15 pm PDT #8822 of 10001
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

To me, learned helplessness is what bosses do when they pretend they can't figure out how to do things like make copies, use the fax machine, or make coffee.

The other sort of apathy I do like Jesse does. If someone is going to rewrite what I write, no matter what it is, why bother to spend time on it?


Connie Neil - Jun 02, 2005 12:47:41 pm PDT #8823 of 10001
brillig

Have you people seen this website, Post Secret? It's amazing.

I have it bookmarked and check it every Monday. It's fascinating.


Betsy HP - Jun 02, 2005 12:48:05 pm PDT #8824 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

That's the thing -- that kind of learned helpless leads to self-contempt, because I perceive myself as growing less competent over time.


Jesse - Jun 02, 2005 12:48:36 pm PDT #8825 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

That's the thing -- that kind of learned helpless leads to self-contempt, because I perceive myself as growing less competent over time.

Uh huh.