I have got some helplessness going on. I think it is innate, however, and not learned. Still, if anybody is in the market for helplessness, I am selling at low low prices.
Uh, are we gonna fight, or is there just gonna be a monster sarcasm rally?
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What Happens in Natter 35 Stays in Natter 35
Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.
Nutty - Jun 02, 2005 12:28:13 pm PDT #8803 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."
sarameg - Jun 02, 2005 12:29:42 pm PDT #8804 of 10001
See, I work with kids who ask the same questions each time. "Ms. G. We're out of tape. What should we do?"
My dad's response to questions like this is to give completely absurd directions. Really detailed, absurd instructions. Bonus if he can make the questioner do something stupid. "Well, first you need to stick your finger in your ear, palm parallel to the floor. Tilting sideways, slowly turn in a circle, mooing like a hoarse cow...."
He's not liked by some of his undergrads.
Allyson - Jun 02, 2005 12:30:03 pm PDT #8805 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica
Yes, it is a theory of depression that says if you have repeated experiences of being unable to escape negative events then you will become passive and will no longer even try to escape them.
Ugh. I was just reading some asswipe's theory in Salon that depression has nothing to do with creativity, and that it's BS that people lose creativity when medicated.
I wanted to go through my computer screen and rip his head off.
§ ita § - Jun 02, 2005 12:30:49 pm PDT #8806 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Was it supposed to be a grand unifying theory of depression, or describing one sort, Rick?
Jesse - Jun 02, 2005 12:30:59 pm PDT #8807 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.
Yes, it is a theory of depression that says if you have repeated experiences of being unable to escape negative events then you will become passive and will no longer even try to escape them. The symptoms of depression are taken to result from this giving-up.
I totally do this at work, when I'm working for compulsive re-writers. Why even bother trying when I know that no matter how much I work on the thing, that it will be completely re-written?
Atropa - Jun 02, 2005 12:32:06 pm PDT #8808 of 10001
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.
My dad's response to questions like this is to give completely absurd directions. Really detailed, absurd instructions. Bonus if he can make the questioner do something stupid. "Well, first you need to stick your finger in your ear, palm parallel to the floor. Tilting sideways, slowly turn in a circle, mooing like a hoarse cow...."
sarameg's dad is my dad, apparently.
Kat - Jun 02, 2005 12:33:15 pm PDT #8809 of 10001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo
Okay, I don't mind questions like, "Do you have any tape?" or "Where is the extra tape?"
I teach a lesson every year on how to ask for help. I tell them saying, "I don't get it" isn't asking for help.
Rick - Jun 02, 2005 12:37:38 pm PDT #8810 of 10001
Was it supposed to be a grand unifying theory of depression, or describing one sort, Rick?
It started off as a grand unifying theory. Then it turned out not to predict all symptoms of depression very well, and not to describe all kinds of depressed people very well, and in the way of most scientific theories there was a retrenchment and the theorists suggested that it applied to only a small subset of cases. Most people in the field (including me) now see learned helplessness as a particular symptom of depression, not a cause of depression. But the pendulum could swing back.
§ ita § - Jun 02, 2005 12:38:32 pm PDT #8811 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
learned helplessness as a particular symptom of depression, not a cause of depression
Is it used outside of depression? The people I know who do it seem very happy.
tommyrot - Jun 02, 2005 12:39:06 pm PDT #8812 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.
Most people in the field (including me) now see learned helplessness as a particular symptom of depression, not a cause of depression. But the pendulum could swing back.
::keeps an eye on pendulum in case it's necessary to duck::