Yes, it is a theory of depression that says if you have repeated experiences of being unable to escape negative events then you will become passive and will no longer even try to escape them.

Ugh. I was just reading some asswipe's theory in Salon that depression has nothing to do with creativity, and that it's BS that people lose creativity when medicated.

I wanted to go through my computer screen and rip his head off.

Was it supposed to be a grand unifying theory of depression, or describing one sort, Rick?

Yes, it is a theory of depression that says if you have repeated experiences of being unable to escape negative events then you will become passive and will no longer even try to escape them. The symptoms of depression are taken to result from this giving-up.

I totally do this at work, when I'm working for compulsive re-writers. Why even bother trying when I know that no matter how much I work on the thing, that it will be completely re-written?

My dad's response to questions like this is to give completely absurd directions. Really detailed, absurd instructions. Bonus if he can make the questioner do something stupid. "Well, first you need to stick your finger in your ear, palm parallel to the floor. Tilting sideways, slowly turn in a circle, mooing like a hoarse cow...."

sarameg's dad is my dad, apparently.

Okay, I don't mind questions like, "Do you have any tape?" or "Where is the extra tape?"

I teach a lesson every year on how to ask for help. I tell them saying, "I don't get it" isn't asking for help.

Was it supposed to be a grand unifying theory of depression, or describing one sort, Rick?

It started off as a grand unifying theory. Then it turned out not to predict all symptoms of depression very well, and not to describe all kinds of depressed people very well, and in the way of most scientific theories there was a retrenchment and the theorists suggested that it applied to only a small subset of cases. Most people in the field (including me) now see learned helplessness as a particular symptom of depression, not a cause of depression. But the pendulum could swing back.

learned helplessness as a particular symptom of depression, not a cause of depression

Is it used outside of depression? The people I know who do it seem very happy.

Most people in the field (including me) now see learned helplessness as a particular symptom of depression, not a cause of depression. But the pendulum could swing back.

::keeps an eye on pendulum in case it's necessary to duck::

I think -- does it cover the scenario where if something isn't done right the first time, the subject becomes passive aggressively unable to ever do it right, regardless of the complexity?

Yes, it is a theory of depression that says if you have repeated experiences of being unable to escape negative events then you will become passive and will no longer even try to escape them.

I see those as pretty separate things, though - the first example of "learned helplessness" often has (IME) a fair portion of "and then someone else will do it instead." The second - I'd call that learned apathy, I guess.

To me, learned helplessness is what annoying females do so that they can simper and let some big strong man take care of them.