Mal: Cut it out. Job's not done until we're back on Serenity. Zoe: Sorry, sir. Didn't mean to enjoy the moment.

'Ariel'


What Happens in Natter 35 Stays in Natter 35  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


§ ita § - May 20, 2005 7:00:52 am PDT #5782 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

A het-male one.

As a het female, I can sure appreciate the value in shirtless lady scenes. It's a thing.


Kalshane - May 20, 2005 7:02:32 am PDT #5783 of 10001
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why? Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.

Well, has Kevin Smith had to pay any royalties for the numerous Star Wars references in his movies? At what point does something cease being derivative and becomes simply a part of culture?


Kalshane - May 20, 2005 7:03:59 am PDT #5784 of 10001
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why? Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.

As a het female, I can sure appreciate the value in shirtless lady scenes. It's a thing.

Different aesthetics, I suppose. For me male shirtlessness is neither a positive or a negative, it's just there.


Kat - May 20, 2005 7:04:10 am PDT #5785 of 10001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

Alias was good. But, sarameg, I don't find it as insubstantially plotted and eyerolly as you. Cause really? I'm just in it for the pretty. And this week. Lots of great dialoge.

MEEP! Today was due day for the applications to go to England and Ireland for my students. Already, I have 12 students signed up and I still have to see the other class! What's exciting is the thought of taking kids to see really cool stuff, esp. since so few of them have opportunities to explore life outside their ghetto. But I'm sort of in awe of how difficult it will be to do fundraising.

Gulp.


Deena - May 20, 2005 7:07:40 am PDT #5786 of 10001
How are you me? You need to stop that. Only I can be me. ~Kara

Thanks for all the vibes and ~ma everyone. Dad is doing well and likely to get to go home tomorrow. I appreciate the kind thoughts so much.


Connie Neil - May 20, 2005 7:09:55 am PDT #5787 of 10001
brillig

Dad is doing well and likely to get to go home tomorrow

Hubby's been in an out of the hospital for these things in one day--granted we went in at 3 AM and were home by the evening news, but one day is one day.

It just amazes me that something that involved multi-day stays in major care sections twenty years ago can be dealt with so simply now.


sarameg - May 20, 2005 7:13:14 am PDT #5788 of 10001

Cause really? I'm just in it for the pretty.

I think this may have been my problem. For some inexplicable reason, I was actually paying attention, which I have to admit I mostly don't. Usually, it's for the the wigs and booms. I probably should have been watching Frontline instead.


Nutty - May 20, 2005 7:15:04 am PDT #5789 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

At what point does something cease being derivative and becomes simply a part of culture?

90+ years after it is published, or after enough change to the original that it is considered a different work. Copyright isn't like the Kleenex or Aspirin trademark; it's still under ownership until the right expires or is specifically waived.

Which is to say, you can refer to a copyrighted thing for free, but actually quoting from it is where the money comes in. If the actors in Reign of Fire had actually called the black knight Darth Vader, and recited text word-for-word, some lawyer somewhere would at least have had impure thoughts about royalty payments. But because it was vagued up so much, it shared more in common with Star Wars's not-copyrightable sources than with Star Wars.

Every time somebody on a movie screen sings "Happy Birthday," some foundation in the midwest gets a HUGE fee. Yes, "Happy Birthday" is under copyright protection, and the owners of that right charge massive amounts for each use in print or other media.


Dana - May 20, 2005 7:19:17 am PDT #5790 of 10001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

MALORY: I think it's sweet that you and your partner sing to each other on television. Others may think it's vaguely gay, but I disagree.

DAN: Thank you.

MALORY: Nonetheless, you can't do it anymore.

DAN: Why not?

MALORY: It's against the law.

DAN: It's against the law to be vaguely gay?

***

DAN: It's against the law to sing "Happy Birthday" on television?

MALORY: Federal copyright law.

DAN: "Happy Birthday" is protected material?

MALORY: Yes.

DAN: Who holds the copyright on "Happy Birthday"?

MALORY: Mildred and Patty Hill.

DAN: Who are they?

MALORY: The authors?

DAN: The authors.

MALORY: They wrote it.

DAN: They wrote the song.

MALORY: Did you think that song just happened?

DAN: Well...yeah.


Jessica - May 20, 2005 7:19:31 am PDT #5791 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

but actually quoting from it is where the money comes in

But it has to be a relatively substantial quote. I don't think you can be sued just for having a character say "Luke, I am your father."

Every time somebody on a movie screen sings "Happy Birthday," some foundation in the midwest gets a HUGE fee.

This is why so many movies have characters singing "For S/He's a Jolly Good Fellow" instead.