There is one couple in my family that absolutely mystifies me. He is a youth pastor

He sells drugs? LSD in the communion wafers?

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Some of it's timing, too. My folks were both high school teachers between 1945 and 1990. They never got rich, but they always had a decent, 3 bedroom house and the cash to take their kids on vacations every summer instead of picking up a second summer job. They ended up fairly comfortably, with a nice house in a nice neighborhood, and enough discretionary money to go on a vacation to other countries every other year or so after they retired. They were able to send my sister and me through our undergrad degrees without going into debt. They have a rather nice car and, even though Mom's racked up and will continue to rack up significant medical bills for the foreseeable future, they say they have it covered.

I don't know if high school teacher salaries would buy that for folks starting now.

Gud - are they in debt up to their ears?

Gud - are they in debt up to their ears?

I've got no clue. It's a mystery.

On a list I'm on, the Kansas Monkey's Uncle 2 discussion has been raging for days, with a couple of far righteous folks defending said backwardsness. This gem appeared today:

There is a growing movement in Kansas to add ID/CS to the curriculum. IMHO it is less about theology and more a push to "take back" the schools.

Exactly. It is teleology that wants to be Lysenkoism when it grows up.

I was a little chuffed to work out that one of my high-living (Why must I pump my own gas? I didn't do this in the Old Country) relatives was living beyond her means. She'd not made it to the point of admitting her household wasn't pulling in $2M/year (like oldest sis), or that being a single mother whose kid was starting Morehouse (unlike second older sis with a similar income) was a costly proposition.

Her younger sister, with her law degree and having passed the bar, OTOH, said "Fuck it. I'm staying home and getting pregnant, and we'll fly everywhere all the time, because the love of my life is a flight attendant." Which was very cool. But making that admission must have been stressful.

I'm talking about why I don't think that income = class.

I didn't say that income was the same as class, I said that income was the most important factor in class.

Americans tend to take money as a sign of God's or Natural Selection's blessing on a person. If you're rich, you're more important than anybody except a celebrity. Academics rank significantly below medical doctors everywhere but within the academic community itself.

Meanwhile, I'm hoping to save up enough for a couch before the fall series premieres.

I think I need to be related to ita.

If you're rich, you're more important than anybody except a celebrity.

Are there many poor celebrities?

I said that income was the most important factor in class

You don't think a poor lawyer is higher classed than a rich janitor? When all is said and done?

I think I need to be related to ita.

It's a crapshoot, I warn you.