Bester: Mal. Whaddya need two mechanics for? Mal: I really don't.

'Out Of Gas'


What Happens in Natter 35 Stays in Natter 35  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Betsy HP - May 14, 2005 7:36:56 am PDT #4151 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

Yup. I think so.


Consuela - May 14, 2005 7:39:41 am PDT #4152 of 10001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Well, the dd/mm/yy I think of as European, not an American usage.

It's mandatory all through the military, as well. I've used it for years, since it removes confusion whether it's day-month or month-day, so long as you use the name of the month (i.e. 10 May 05 versus 5-10-05 or 10-5-05).

I'm fascinated that there's an internet community out there of any substantial size that doesn't have perceived power-differential issues.

We've invoked Snacky's Law: should we invoke Nutty's/Vee's Law too, now?

t goes off to mow the lawn, probably a better use of my time than discussing internet community psychosocial dynamics.


Matt the Bruins fan - May 14, 2005 7:40:30 am PDT #4153 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Matt, are they showing the crack junkie one too?

Is that the one with the red cap and white frosted lips? That's the clip I'm talking about. Though the whole commercial seems to be him shouting inarticulately in various guises rather than any of his speaking roles.

I think I may have sprained my throat laughing - just watched the "Truth Snake" episode of Coupling.


§ ita § - May 14, 2005 7:40:35 am PDT #4154 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Yup. I think so.

Then I have no idea how changing your pick affects your chances of winning. How does knowing that card affect anything? If I'd known it was a goat before I picked my card, my choices would be 50/50. If I find out afterwards, the odds shift?


Betsy HP - May 14, 2005 7:41:16 am PDT #4155 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

That's why it's a paradox.


Hil R. - May 14, 2005 7:42:00 am PDT #4156 of 10001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

I have a question about the Make A Deal problem -- does the host turn over a goat card (forget for the moment that I want a goat, and already have a car) whether or not I've picked the car?

Yes. Otherwise, you'd then know that the one you picked wasn't it, and he'd have just ruled out one of the other other two, leaving you knowing that the remaining one was it.


§ ita § - May 14, 2005 7:42:32 am PDT #4157 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

It wasn't presented as a paradox, though. Just a problem whose solution runs counter to much intuition.


Hil R. - May 14, 2005 7:45:51 am PDT #4158 of 10001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

When you pick yours the first time, you've got a 1/3 chance of being right. Him telling you that one of the other two isn't the car gives you no new information about the one you picked to begin with -- you already knew that at least one of those other two wasn't a car. You've still got a 1/3 chance of being right with the one you picked. But that leaves a 2/3 chance of being wrong, and that 2/3 chance is now entirely on the still hidden unpicked one.

(I really can't figure out a good way to explain this entirely. The way I was able to totally convince myself was just to set up all the different possible situations and look at the results.)


§ ita § - May 14, 2005 7:48:07 am PDT #4159 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

If you can't explain it to me, Hil, I don't feel so bad about not getting it.


Hil R. - May 14, 2005 7:51:03 am PDT #4160 of 10001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Let's say that the car is in door 1. If you picked door 1, then you'll get it if you stay. If you picked door 2 or door 3, then you'll get the car if you switch. There's a 1/3 chance you picked right on that first try, but a 2/3 chance you picked wrong, so in 1/3 of the cases you'll get the car if you stay, but in 2/3 you'll get it if you switch.