Mal: Inara, think you could stoop to being on my arm? Inara: Will you wash it first?

'Heart Of Gold'


What Happens in Natter 35 Stays in Natter 35  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Cashmere - May 04, 2005 5:30:54 am PDT #1146 of 10001
Now tagless for your comfort.

Cashmere, I stayed up to watch Christiane Amanpour on TDS, but then passed out. Did you catch it?

Missed the replay this morning. We were watching the Bear in the Big Blue House. But I think DH recorded it for me last night. I hope. I haven't checked yet.


Calli - May 04, 2005 5:31:19 am PDT #1147 of 10001
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

ChiKat, would Madame Bovary fit the bill? I think that Dr. Bovary's wife pressures him to try some risky proceedure that ends up crippling the patient and messing up his career.

You can download it here, if that helps: [link]


Frankenbuddha - May 04, 2005 5:32:36 am PDT #1148 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

ChiKat, pretty much anything by August Strindberg will fit the bill from what I understand, though I've never read any of his stuff myself. Actually, the Scandanavians are good for that kind of thing - I'm sure there are several Bergman movies that would fit the bill.

And of course, there's that laugh riot ETHAN FROMME.

Is that what you're looking for, or am I looking at your question wrong?


amych - May 04, 2005 5:34:41 am PDT #1149 of 10001
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

What are some pop culture/film/tv/literary examples of marriage being a physical, spiritual, or career death to a man?

Every ball-and-chain joke since the beginning of time.


beathen - May 04, 2005 5:37:03 am PDT #1150 of 10001
Sure I went over to the Dark Side, but just to pick up a few things.

I normally don't watch TV on Tuesdays, but last night I happened to be watching L&O:SVU and Bradley Cooper was on (Will from Alias). What a cutie. (I'm a sucker for blue eyes.)


§ ita § - May 04, 2005 5:37:08 am PDT #1151 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Hee. Msbelle, you should totally watch the teaser for the VM finale.


msbelle - May 04, 2005 5:37:18 am PDT #1152 of 10001
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

Married with Children.


Cashmere - May 04, 2005 5:38:03 am PDT #1153 of 10001
Now tagless for your comfort.

The Age of Innocence is also a good one. Edith didn't have very good things to say about marriage, did she?


Frankenbuddha - May 04, 2005 5:38:19 am PDT #1154 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

And on a completely different note from my last suggestion, SCARFACE where Steven Bauer marries Pacino's sister, he finds out they've slept together, and kills him before he finds out they got married.


Vonnie K - May 04, 2005 5:38:39 am PDT #1155 of 10001
Kiss me, my girl, before I'm sick.

What are some pop culture/film/tv/literary examples of marriage being a physical, spiritual, or career death to a man?

Ethan Frome?

Re VM: msbelle, I had the exact same reservation you had re. some of the Veronica/Logan scenes. How can Veronica be so forgiving of Logan? And when did Logan turn into an understanding schmoopy perfect boyfriend? I think the lovey-dovey-ness was exaggerated to make the video reveal more shocking, but it sat uneasily with me--possibly the only thing marring this powerhouse episode.

As for Lilly's killer. I have no freaking clue. My fave suspect thus far has been Lianne, but I was hurting so much for Veronica last night that I kind of want her to have a satisfying, clean avenging of Lilly's death without the kind of soul-crushing despair it'd bring if Lianne was culpable. And I love Aaron--well, not "love" per se, but I think Harry Hamlin's portrayal of the character and the massive fucked-up relationship he has with Logan is one of the most interesting things on the show. I'd be sorry to lose that. But of all the adults, I think Celeste is the best bet, which strike me as a bit too obvious way to go, because she's been such a villain all along.