Do you see any goats around? No, because I sacrificed them.

Willow ,'Showtime'


Spike's Bitches 23: We've mastered the power of positive giving up.  

[NAFDA] Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risque (and frisque), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.


DavidS - May 17, 2005 7:27:56 pm PDT #9673 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Erin's new tag: "scrumptious".

She's all that and a bag of chips.


§ ita § - May 17, 2005 7:28:26 pm PDT #9674 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Ultimately you have to respect their feelings even when they seem CRAXY

And they have to do the same, right? That's the part I don't get. If Mr. W came to you with his side of exactly this divide, would you tell him to sit tight until he gets what he wants, because he's on the negative side, or would you tell him to think about how important this is for Susan, how much it means to him, and that he should respect the priorities of the woman he married, even when they seem CRAXY?


Cass - May 17, 2005 7:28:29 pm PDT #9675 of 10001
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

I may never walk right again. But that's...kinda ok.
That sounds ... kinda ok.

Anyone here tried Zelnorm?
What? PDR? Eh, I have Buffista power!


Strix - May 17, 2005 7:28:46 pm PDT #9676 of 10001
A dress should be tight enough to show you're a woman but loose enough to flee from zombies. — Ginger

Hee, Eddie.

Scrumptious cleavagey slutbomb, yo!


Scrappy - May 17, 2005 7:29:59 pm PDT #9677 of 10001
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

Got my hair cut (your style, Laura!) and colored (red red red) today. I am very happy with it.

Susan, I wouldn't borrow heartache if I were you. This doesn't need to be decided tonight and you don't need to react as if it does. Lots can happen. Maybe by the time you get your check for your first book, you will have found a hand-colored print of a soldier in regimentals which you HAVE to have insterad of a gun. Maybe a show you guys watch on the History channel will help Dylan relax a little about firearms. Maybe when Annabelle is older, he'll feel btter or you'll be less interested. Anything can happen! I also don't know why you expect him to be excited about the same things you are. The BF is very fond of his signed photos of 1972 Miami Dolphins players and I couldn't NAME a 1972 Miami Dolphin player. He has never even looked inside one of my adored collection of children's books in all the years we have lived together. It doesn't bother me for me to have things which are only mine and give only me pleasure.


Cass - May 17, 2005 7:30:42 pm PDT #9678 of 10001
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

And some issues are non-negotiable (cf. JZ giving up beloved cats to move in with allergic me.)
This might explain my recently reaquired singleness. I see this and think Claritan might be worth a shot. Unless they are deadly allergies. That would change things for me. YIssuesMV...


Eddie - May 17, 2005 7:33:05 pm PDT #9679 of 10001
Your tag here.

Got my hair cut (your style, Laura!) and colored (red red red) today. I am very happy with it.

Funny, 'cause, you know, "Robin". Ok, not so much.

In related news, I got highlights this past weekend. I don't know if anyone has gone through this, but imagine an angry cat walking on your head for 15 minutes and you get the idea.


Polter-Cow - May 17, 2005 7:33:46 pm PDT #9680 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Funny, 'cause, you know, "Robin". Ok, not so much.

That took me a few seconds to get, but then I started laughing.


DavidS - May 17, 2005 7:33:49 pm PDT #9681 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

And they have to do the same, right? That's the part I don't get. If Mr. W came to you with his side of exactly this divide, would you tell him to sit tight until he gets what he wants, because he's on the negative side, or would you tell him to think about how important this is for Susan, how much it means to him, and that he should respect the priorities of the woman he married, even when they seem CRAXY?

From my perspective, losing a positive equals neutral-zero. Getting a negative equals minus points. So...the general rule in most cases is the postive yields the right of way to the negative. Because (as Susan notes) she doesn't want to impose something on her DH that's going to make him feel like his house is EvilDangerHouse. Even if his feelings are somewhat irrational.

Of course, the point of compromise is that both people concede something and move toward the middle. But as I noted, there are occasions where there is no middle ground. But to your first query, yes, his obligation is to consider her wants as well as his objection, and treat them both as if they were valid (even with CRAXY).


beth b - May 17, 2005 7:33:52 pm PDT #9682 of 10001
oh joy! Oh Rapture ! I have a brain!

I'm with Betsy -- it might be a time issue.

and yes, you have to examine the negative- but often the negative is stronger. a very minor example. Dh would live with the guitar in his hand at all times. but when he is with me - if we are haveing a serious conversation he can't strum - otherwise I either get distracted or feel ignored. also, he can't play in the living room when I am watching tv. ( if it is one of his shows - and I don't want to watch - I leave the room ). He understands what I am saying - but he really has no idea what I am talking about.